Donald, What's the difference between Zen and Chan? From all my
studies, Zen is derived from Chan, at it's core, it's about the seated
position. No?
Guy
--- In [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>,
Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...> wrote:
>
> No worry, Mike. No misunderstanding here.
>
> Because I learned everything in Chinese. That's why I joined four
> forums to learn the English.
>
> Then I found out, Zen and Chan are not exactly the same. Interesting
> journey.
>
> :-)
>
> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> http://www.heartchan.org
>
>
> On 3/24/2011 11:24 PM, mike brown wrote:
> > JM,
> > Sure. My comment about your school seeming to be Taoist was just that
> > - a comment - and not a criticism. I have to agree with ED tho,
that I
> > find the terminology you use to be difficult for me, too. I guess the
> > substance is the samebut the form is somewhat different (a British
> > understatement). I still like the bit you said having supernatural
> > powers tho : )
> > Mike
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...>
> > *To:* [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> > *Sent:* Fri, 25 March, 2011 15:10:45
> > *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen
> >
> > Hi Mike, Even Osho said, Chan combines the essence of Tao and
Buddhism.
> >
> > Yes our practice is Taoist. Our words are Buddhist. After all,
> > Buddha had 49 years to describe the various stages of his journey in
> > detail. When comes to spirituality, Buddhist has the most detailed
> > terms. Jesus had only three. If God give Jesus 49 years, I am sure
> > He would said the same thing.
> >
> > Since I am educated as a high tech guy, Chan practice transformed me
> > 180 degrees, because I have witnessed. It is an amazing journey.
> >
> > Yes, to focus on the present moment is the key. But it is not a
> > life-less focus, it is a continual purification of our chi, while let
> > the mind focus just on the emptiness. It is a parallel process.
> >
> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> > http://www.heartchan.org
> >
> > On 3/24/2011 10:49 PM, mike brown wrote:
> >> Thanks JM,
> >> Wow, that all sounds so alien (no pun implied...) to me. I've always
> >> been taught that you shouldn't regret the past (it's gone and so
> >> unchangeable) nor worry about the future (it's an unknowable
range of
> >> possibilities) - only the now is real and knowable. I must say, your
> >> school sounds more Taoist than Buddhist sometimes.
> >> Mike
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >> *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...>
> >> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> *Sent:* Fri, 25 March, 2011 14:33:43
> >> *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen
> >>
> >> Mike, No one told me what. One is from Pureland and the other is
> >> Chan. One said to get more people to meditate and other said to
> >> chant Namo Amitaba every night. They usually don't tell us what will
> >> happen.
> >>
> >> Yet both said it before the Japanese quake.
> >>
> >> Sorry, that all I know.
> >>
> >> Personally, I also sensed an urgency for awhile without any
reason. :-)
> >>
> >> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> >> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> >> http://www.heartchan.org
> >>
> >> On 3/24/2011 10:25 PM, mike brown wrote:
> >>> JM.
> >>> *Warning warning!* ...we MUST get more people to meditate to quiet
> >>> the karmic events arriving soon.
> >>>
> >>> What kind of shape would these events take? The Mayan 2012
prophecy?
> >>> The sky falls? A major earthquake/tsunami (oops, they missed that
> >>> one)? American Idol winner has talent? Sarah Palin wins the US
> >>> presidency? ED 'gets it'?...
> >>> Does the practice of Chan endow you with supernatural powers? Btw,
> >>> this question is not as facetious as I know it looks.
> >>> Mike
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >>> *From:* Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@...>
> >>> *To:* [email protected] <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>> *Sent:* Fri, 25 March, 2011 13:40:34
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Zen] Re: Christian Zen
> >>>
> >>> Excellent, Bill.. Now here is my preliminary plan..
> >>>
> >>> We will launch Adword in April with keywords such as depression,
> >>> stress, insomnia, etc. to get people to learn meditation. At the
> >>> same time, we will be starting a movement on Facebook titled,
> >>> "Meditate First" = "whether you are Chrisitan, Buddhist, Muslin,
> >>> Jew, rich or poor, before you act, talk, think, Meditate First."
> >>> Sort of...
> >>>
> >>> Both of these will aggregate witnesses in health and spirituality,
> >>> just from opposite ends. Therefore, there will be one web area, be
> >>> it tumblr, or facebook page, or part of meditatefirst.org, where
> >>> witnesses are posted.
> >>>
> >>> Both chan-meditation.org(from what are the benefits) and
> >>> meditatefirst.org (to connect deeper to Christ) will link to
this place.
> >>>
> >>> The idea is not to compare zen/Chan with Christianity, or teach
> >>> Christians about zen/Chan, but get Christians to Meditate First.
> >>> They will automatically deepen their faith or read Bible
> >>> differently. Therefore, in these articles, there will be no need to
> >>> mention Zen or Chan, just how to meditate to be closer to God.
> >>>
> >>> Please let me know your thoughts. If you can think of an outline, I
> >>> can setup anything in one week -- joomla 1.5 or just Tumblr. Then
> >>> you can enter the content. I would not have time to read anything.
> >>> I have a lot to do.
> >>>
> >>> * Our Family Oneness program is successful into libraries.
> >>> * Corporate Oneness programs is piloted into corporations.
> >>> * Personal oneness program to hit the US through Adword.
> >>> * A 200 people Chan Center is in the process being located.
> >>> * 10 classes a week to support.
> >>>
> >>> Let us do something. Everyone is welcome.
> >>>
> >>> BTW, Not sure I mentioned this before, my Teacher and another well
> >>> known Teacher both mentioned about one month ago, we MUST get more
> >>> people to meditate to quiet the karmic events arriving soon.
> >>>
> >>> No wonder I have sensing urgency for awhile. Just do what we can.
> >>> Together.
> >>>
> >>> Many Thanks. A bow to ALL.
> >>> JM
> >>>
> >>> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> >>> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> >>> http://www.heartchan.org
> >>>
> >>> On 3/24/2011 5:36 PM, Bill! wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> JMJM,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would be interested in participating in this. I was brought
up as
> >>>> a Christian and have gone through a lot of Bible study. I agree
> >>>> wholeheartedly with your premise.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you haven't already read it, I'd suggest you find a copy of a
> >>>> small book called THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO ZEN. It's theme is the
> >>>> same as the one you've described.
> >>>>
> >>>> ...Bill!
> >>>>
> >>>> --- In [email protected]
<mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>> <mailto:Zen_Forum%40yahoogroups.com>, Jue Miao Jing Ming -
> >>>> 覺妙精明 <chan.jmjm@> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Good Morning Steve and anyone who is interested to help,
> >>>> >
> >>>> > I wanted to incorporate a zen way to deepen the "Christian
faith"
> >>>> on our
> >>>> > websites, but I don't know the Bible enough.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > The intent is...
> >>>> >
> >>>> > * To show that Chan/zen and christian faith are one of the same.
> >>>> > * Enabling the reading of the bible in a different light.
> >>>> > * Deepen our connection with God.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > It could be a page or two, or an entire website, (if you have
the
> >>>> time
> >>>> > to write the content and the newsletter). I can set it up.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > This will be interlinked with http://www.chan-meditation.org.
> >>>> <http://www.chan-meditation.org./> It is now
> >>>> > top ranked in google, bing, yahoo with keyword -- chan
> >>>> meditation. (no
> >>>> > quotation mark).
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Also because we will be promoting Chan meditation beginning in
> >>>> April/May
> >>>> > with online Adword.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Many Thanks,
> >>>> > JM
> >>>> >
> >>>> > --
> >>>> > Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> >>>> > http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com <http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com/>
> >>>> > http://www.heartchan.org <http://www.heartchan.org/>
> >>>> >
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
