Mayka, Btw, I'm not receiving your mail on the forum, so can you email me directly if there's anything you want me to read.
Mike ________________________________ From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 17 April, 2011 0:29:50 Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release Absolutely. It is us. The universe is perfect at every moment. Thank you, Mayka. Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 4/16/2011 2:44 AM, Maria Lopez wrote: >Mike wrote: > >"I think Zen without incorporating the absorbtions >(jhanas) and 'heart' can be dry and a little >compassionless, but maybe Chan without Zen's hard >reality is a little too fuzzy and a bit too 'fairy' >worshiping". > >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To me in the real essence of zen any adjectives are >out >of place. To me zen is the ultimate step one does. >Many people embrace zen without been ready for it. As >they are not ready they become arrogant >individualistic >pricks cold as ice. Even when zen is something >available to everyone the same, more and more my > >imimpressionith it is that it's only suitable and of >real benefit for a minority of people who have already >in them a sense of non separation, unity, universal >oneness and therefore a heart. Differently, agree >with >you that we need from other sources in your case the >Jhanas in my case TNH zen buddhism and and the image >created in my mind as a model of the heart in >Jesuschrist beyond any religious institution. Zen >doesn't lack of anything but we do. > >Mayka > > > >--- On Sat, 16/4/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>From: mike brown <[email protected]> >>Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release >>To: [email protected] >>Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 5:53 >> >> >> >>Anthony, >> >>I'm not sure if this is a step forward,or a >>step >>backward, in my practice (my intuition says >>'forward' for me, but not necessarily for other >>people), but due to recent happenings I can >>empathise alot more with where JM is coming >>from. >>Before last week.JM's language was utterly >>alien >>to me and seemed to have no connection with the >>Zen I was familiiar with. Now I'm not so sure. >>I >>think Zen without incorporating the absorbtions >>(jhanas) and 'heart' can be dry and a little >> >>compassionless, but maybe Chan without Zen's >>hard >>reality is a little too fuzzy and a bit too >>'fairy' worshiping. That might not make sense >>to >>most, if not all here, but it does to me. >>Further, >>I don't think Zen is completely removed from >> >>notions such as chi, chakras etc. After all, in >>some schools focus is directed to the 'hara' as >>a >>place of holding energy. It is this that is cut >>in >>seppeku (hara kiri) to release a person's ki >>(chi). >> >>Mike >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ From: Anthony Wu <[email protected]> >>To: [email protected] >>Sent: Fri, 15 April, 2011 22:16:28 >>Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of >> >>Release >> >> >>JM, >> >>Now you have strong allies. >>Maybe Mike and/or ED can shed >>light on the 'heart' and the >> >>mind. >> >>Anthony >> >>--- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue >>Miao >>Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 >><[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >>>From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - >>>覺妙精明 >>><[email protected]> >>>Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three >>>Dimensions of Release >>>To: [email protected] >>>Date: Friday, 15 April, >>>2011, >>>7:53 AM >>> >>> >>> >>>Hi Anthony, >>> >>>I understand that >>>you >>>trying to discuss >>>from >>>a logic or >>>definition of >>>words. I am not >>>saying >>>whether I am correct >>>or >>>wrong. At the >>>beginning >>>of my journey I am >>> >>>like you. I >>>struggle >>>with these terms as >>> >>>well. As I said, it >>>took me six year to >>> >>>conquer my >>>terminology. >>> >>>Actually, all my >>>posts >>>are from my >>>experience. >>>My experience like >>>Daniel's youtube is >>> >>>center in the heart >>>and >>>not in the brain. >>>It >>>is a whole body >>>experience. And >>>this >>>experience coincide >>>more >>>and more with my >>>Teacher's teaching >>>as >>>time passes. >>> >>> >>>Don't mean to >>>confuse >>>you. I also like to >>> >>>say, in my states, >>>there >>>is no mind and no >>> >>>heart, just chi, >>>electricity and >>>lights. >>>The key point IMO, >>>is >>>that state of >>>kensho, >>>satori, or even just >>> >>>Jhana can not >>>sustained >>>without chi, which >>>is >>>labeled as vital >>>energy >>>by Daniel. >>> >>>Of course, my >>>experience >>>could also be >>>labeled >>>as maya by Bill. >>>:-) >>> >>> >>>It is not important >>>what >>>I say or >>> >>>experience. It is >>>only >>>important what you >>>experience. As you >>>well >>>know, Buddha said >>>clearly in Diamond >>>sutra >>>that He said NO >>>dharma. >>> >>>Best, JM >>> >>>Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >>>http://www.heartchan.org >>> >>>On 4/14/2011 4:10 PM, >>>Anthony Wu wrote: >>> >>> >>>>JM, >>>> >>>>What is 'mind'? >>>>What >>>>is 'heart'? What >>>>is >>>>the difference >>>> >>>>between 'mind' >>>>and >>>>'heart'? >>>> >>>>Anthony >>>> >>>>--- On Fri, >>>>15/4/11, >>>>Jue Miao Jing >>>>Ming >>>>- 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>From: Jue Miao >>>>>Jing >>>>>Ming - 覺妙精明 >>>>><[email protected]> >>>>>Subject: Re: >>>>>[Zen] The >>>>>Three Dimensions >>>>>of >>>>>Release >>>>>To: [email protected] >>>>>Date: Friday, 15 >>>>>April, 2011, >>>>>3:36 AM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Wow, Thank you >>>>>ED. >>>>>I have watched >>>>>the >>>>>first one. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>HuangDi Neijing >>>>>said >>>>>it very clearly >>>>>for >>>>>2,000 years, >>>>>"Our >>>>>Shen, or inner >>>>>divine, >>>>>requires the >>>>>support >>>>>of Qi or Chi." >>>>> >>>>>Personally, >>>>>having a >>>>>high tech BG, it >>>>> >>>>>took me 6 years >>>>>to >>>>>wake up to the >>>>>fact >>>>>that our >>>>>Teaching is >>>>>not about our >>>>>mind. >>>>>It is about our >>>>> >>>>>entire being. >>>>>And at >>>>>the center of >>>>>it, >>>>>is our heart. >>>>> >>>>>That's my >>>>>witness. >>>>>Now there is >>>>> >>>>>someone else >>>>>too. >>>>>Thank you again, >>>>> >>>>>ED. Lovely day >>>>>today. >>>>>:-) >>>>>JM >>>>> >>>>>BTW, I was just >>>>>informed that >>>>>our >>>>>version of >>>>>Diamond >>>>>Sutra is on >>>>>youtube >>>>>with English >>>>>subtitle. >>>>> >>>>>http://www.youtube.com/joycedaolian#p/u/4/ROkmtB1fB8I >>>>> >>>>>Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com >>>>>http://www.heartchan.org >>>>> >>>>>On 4/14/2011 >>>>>10:25 AM, >>>>>ED wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Mike, two more >>>>>>tapes >>>>>>by Empty_Grace. >>>>>>I >>>>>>experience this >>>>>>guy as >>>>>>knowing what he >>>>>>is >>>>>>talking about. >>>>>>JM, he >>>>>>has good things >>>>>>to say >>>>>>about the >>>>>>Heart. >>>>>>--ED >>>>>> >>>>>>The Three >>>>>> >>>>>>Dimensions of >>>>>>Release >>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1 Part 1 >>>>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related Part 2
