Mike, It is my belief right now that jhana, samadhi, vipassana, chakra manipulating, psychic power acquisition etc are good practices. But they are not zen. Zen is pragmatic, but directed to nothing and attached to nothing. This statement seems to be contraditory, but zen itself is contradictory. Anthony
--- On Sat, 16/4/11, mike brown <[email protected]> wrote: From: mike brown <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 12:53 PM Anthony, I'm not sure if this is a step forward,or a step backward, in my practice (my intuition says 'forward' for me, but not necessarily for other people), but due to recent happenings I can empathise alot more with where JM is coming from. Before last week.JM's language was utterly alien to me and seemed to have no connection with the Zen I was familiiar with. Now I'm not so sure. I think Zen without incorporating the absorbtions (jhanas) and 'heart' can be dry and a little compassionless, but maybe Chan without Zen's hard reality is a little too fuzzy and a bit too 'fairy' worshiping. That might not make sense to most, if not all here, but it does to me. Further, I don't think Zen is completely removed from notions such as chi, chakras etc. After all, in some schools focus is directed to the 'hara' as a place of holding energy. It is this that is cut in seppeku (hara kiri) to release a person's ki (chi). Mike From: Anthony Wu <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 15 April, 2011 22:16:28 Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release JM, Now you have strong allies. Maybe Mike and/or ED can shed light on the 'heart' and the mind. Anthony --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 7:53 AM Hi Anthony, I understand that you trying to discuss from a logic or definition of words. I am not saying whether I am correct or wrong. At the beginning of my journey I am like you. I struggle with these terms as well. As I said, it took me six year to conquer my terminology. Actually, all my posts are from my experience. My experience like Daniel's youtube is center in the heart and not in the brain. It is a whole body experience. And this experience coincide more and more with my Teacher's teaching as time passes. Don't mean to confuse you. I also like to say, in my states, there is no mind and no heart, just chi, electricity and lights. The key point IMO, is that state of kensho, satori, or even just Jhana can not sustained without chi, which is labeled as vital energy by Daniel. Of course, my experience could also be labeled as maya by Bill. :-) It is not important what I say or experience. It is only important what you experience. As you well know, Buddha said clearly in Diamond sutra that He said NO dharma. Best, JM Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 4/14/2011 4:10 PM, Anthony Wu wrote: JM, What is 'mind'? What is 'heart'? What is the difference between 'mind' and 'heart'? Anthony --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> wrote: From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺妙精明 <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release To: [email protected] Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 3:36 AM Wow, Thank you ED. I have watched the first one. HuangDi Neijing said it very clearly for 2,000 years, "Our Shen, or inner divine, requires the support of Qi or Chi." Personally, having a high tech BG, it took me 6 years to wake up to the fact that our Teaching is not about our mind. It is about our entire being. And at the center of it, is our heart. That's my witness. Now there is someone else too. Thank you again, ED. Lovely day today. :-) JM BTW, I was just informed that our version of Diamond Sutra is on youtube with English subtitle. http://www.youtube.com/joycedaolian#p/u/4/ROkmtB1fB8I Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com http://www.heartchan.org On 4/14/2011 10:25 AM, ED wrote: Mike, two more tapes by Empty_Grace. I experience this guy as knowing what he is talking about. JM, he has good things to say about the Heart. --ED The Three Dimensions of Release http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1 Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related Part 2
