Very well-stated Grasshopper! ...Bill!
--- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote:
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> Mike,
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> It is my belief right now that jhana, samadhi, vipassana, chakra
> manipulating, psychic power acquisition etc are good practices. But they are
> not zen. Zen is pragmatic, but directed to nothing and attached to nothing.
> This statement seems to be contraditory, but zen itself is contradictory.
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> Anthony
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> --- On Sat, 16/4/11, mike brown <uerusuboyo@...> wrote:
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> From: mike brown <uerusuboyo@...>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Saturday, 16 April, 2011, 12:53 PM
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> Anthony,
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> I'm not sure if this is a step forward,or a step backward, in my practice (my
> intuition says 'forward' for me, but not necessarily for other people), but
> due to recent happenings I can empathise alot more with where JM is coming
> from. Before last week.JM's language was utterly alien to me and seemed to
> have no connection with the Zen I was familiiar with. Now I'm not so sure. I
> think Zen without incorporating the absorbtions (jhanas) and 'heart' can be
> dry and a little compassionless, but maybe Chan without Zen's hard reality is
> a little too fuzzy and a bit too 'fairy' worshiping. That might not make
> sense to most, if not all here, but it does to me. Further, I don't think Zen
> is completely removed from notions such as chi, chakras etc. After all, in
> some schools focus is directed to the 'hara' as a place of holding energy. It
> is this that is cut in seppeku (hara kiri) to release a person's ki (chi).
>
> Mike
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> From: Anthony Wu <wuasg@...>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Fri, 15 April, 2011 22:16:28
> Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
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> JM,
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> Now you have strong allies. Maybe Mike and/or ED can shed light on the
> 'heart' and the mind.
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> Anthony
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> --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote:
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> From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 7:53 AM
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> Hi Anthony,
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> I understand that you trying to discuss from a logic or definition of
> words. I am not saying whether I am correct or wrong. At the beginning of
> my journey I am like you. I struggle with these terms as well. As I said,
> it took me six year to conquer my terminology.
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> Actually, all my posts are from my experience. My experience like Daniel's
> youtube is center in the heart and not in the brain. It is a whole body
> experience. And this experience coincide more and more with my Teacher's
> teaching as time passes.Â
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> Don't mean to confuse you. I also like to say, in my states, there is no
> mind and no heart, just chi, electricity and lights. The key point IMO, is
> that state of kensho, satori, or even just Jhana can not sustained without
> chi, which is labeled as vital energy by Daniel.
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> Of course, my experience could also be labeled as maya by Bill. :-)
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> It is not important what I say or experience. It is only important what you
> experience. As you well know, Buddha said clearly in Diamond sutra that He
> said NO dharma.
>
> Best, JM
> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL Can
> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> http://www.heartchan.org
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> On 4/14/2011 4:10 PM, Anthony Wu wrote:
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> JM,
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> What is 'mind'? What is 'heart'? What is the difference between 'mind' and
> 'heart'?
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> Anthony
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> --- On Fri, 15/4/11, Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...> wrote:
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> From: Jue Miao Jing Ming - 覺å¦ç²¾æ <chan.jmjm@...>
> Subject: Re: [Zen] The Three Dimensions of Release
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Friday, 15 April, 2011, 3:36 AM
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> Wow, Thank you ED. I have watched the first one.Â
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> HuangDi Neijing said it very clearly for 2,000 years, "Our Shen, or inner
> divine, requires the support of Qi or Chi."
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> Personally, having a high tech BG, it took me 6 years to wake up to the fact
> that our Teaching is not about our mind. It is about our entire being.Â
> And at the center of it, is our heart.
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> That's my witness. Now there is someone else too. Thank you again, ED.Â
> Lovely day today.
> :-)
> JM
>
> BTW, I was just informed that our version of Diamond Sutra is on youtube with
> English subtitle.Â
> http://www.youtube.com/joycedaolian#p/u/4/ROkmtB1fB8I
> Be Enlightened In This Life - We ALL
> Can
> http://chanjmjm.blogspot.com
> http://www.heartchan.org
>
> On 4/14/2011 10:25 AM, ED wrote:
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> Mike, two more tapes by Empty_Grace. I experience this guy as knowing what
> he is talking about. JM, he has good things to say about the Heart. Â
> --EDÂ Â
> The Three Dimensions of Release
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejQsIFDrb4M&NR=1Â Â Part 1
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-4Vw54Dabw&feature=related Part 2
>
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