Anthony, 'Mr. Frontcorner' (both Roshis Koryu and Maezumi) didn't teach me about any 'signposts' - with the possible exception of a distinction between kensho and satori. Kensho being a 'first glimpse' of Buddha Nature, and is temporary and of short duration. Satori being a musch more full awareness of Buddha Nature, and is enduring.
Before kensho I was not taught about any 'signposts'. You've either had kensho or you haven't. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Anthony Wu <wuasg@...> wrote: > > Bill, >  > You say your teacher Mr Frontcorner says the 'signposts' are unimportant. You > did not say whether you are in agreement or not. >  > Anthony > > > ________________________________ > From: Bill! <BillSmart@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, 17 October 2011 9:05 AM > Subject: [Zen] Re: Buddha Heart Imprint II > > >  > Mike, > > That individual was Maezumi Roshi...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > Bill!, > > > > As you say, it was someone else who told you to ignore your experience in > > the zendo. Did that person himself experiece such 'phenonema' or were they > > also just repeating what they had been told? If you've ever experienced > > kensho (and I'm sure you have), then you'd know that this also affects the > > body/mind in a way that is not the same as 'just sitting' in our usual > > day-to-day practice. Yet kensho is not dismissed in the same way. > > Personally, I feel that such phenonema are indications that the illusionary > > obstacles we have developed in life are losing their grip on us and the > > purity of the Mind (our true state) is shining thru. As such, they are > > important signposts on the path and although it misses the point to strive > > towards them (maybe this is what your priest was wary of), it also misses > > the mark to say they are unimportant. > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, 15 October 2011, 10:19 > > Subject: [Zen] Re: Buddha Heart Imprint II > > > > > > à> > JMJM, > > > > When I was beginning my zen training and sitting shikantaza (clear mind) I > > 'witnessed' several color phenomenom. A bright white light which seem to > > emanate from the people sitting around me and surround them like an aura, > > and a golden light which enveloped me as if I were surrounded by and > > suspended in honey. > > > > In both cases my teacher at the time told me these were just 'maya' and > > unimportant, and told me to pay no attention to them, let them slide away > > and 'just sit'. > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Jue Miao Jing Ming - > > èæúÃ¥æââ¢Ã§Ã²Ã¾Ã¦ÃÅ"à ½ <chan.jmjm@> wrote: > > > > > > Good morning to All, > > > > > > Perhaps if you would, please allow me to share with you some of the > > > labels used by my Teacher to interpret the witness of Juemiao Miaoming, > > > recipient of Buddha Heart Imprint. > > > > > > The lineage of Chan is passed on two routes, the form and the formless. > > > One without the other, is incomplete. Let me explain some of the details. > > > > > > The lineage of Chan is passed through and in sync both in archived > > > lineage chart(form) as well as the Buddha Heart Imprint(formless). > > > > > > As we know the conversion to Chan is to convert to Buddha, Dharma, > > > Sangha (form) and the Trikaya (formless). Buddha is the Nirmanakaya. > > > Dharma is the Sambhogakaya and Shangha is the Nirmanakaya. > > > > > > Juemiao Miaoming's witness of the three color lights, as taught by my > > > Teacher, are -- Gold is the Nirmanakaya, Red is the Nirmanakaya. Green > > > is the Sambhogakaya. These are also the logo of our lineage. > > > > > > Juemiao Miaoming's witness of the intense white light in the Heart > > > Chakra is the Kensho, which does not fade away. Which I have mentioned > > > off and on throughout the years that I am on this forum. > > > > > > Juemiao Miaoming's witness of thousands of lights is what Buddha > > > witnessed under the Bodhi tree before his enlightenment. As stated in > > > our Master's Diamond Sutra DVD, these lights are not in the night sky, > > > but inside our body. > > > > > > Juemiao Miaoming's heart felt connection of compassion and truth upon > > > recipient of this transmission is what it is. > > > > > > I am grateful to have participated in witnessing this event and > > > communicating to everyone. > > > > > > In short, a true transmission of Buddha Heart Imprint, from a > > > non-English speaking master to a non-Chinese speaking desciple requires > > > no word and only requires a single meeting of hearts. > > > > > > As Juemiao Miaoming said, "this is an auspicious day." > > > > > > Thank you for your attention. > > > > > > BTW, if you would like to talk to Miaoming privately, he will be most > > > delighted. Contact me and I will forward his private email. > > > > > > -- > > > To be enlightened in this life... > > > http://www.heartchan.org > > > To save our world... > > > http://www.universal-oneness.org > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
