Edgar and Mike, I know that story well, but I was expanding on the other story - Joshu's WASH YOUR BOWLS. To combine the two I'd have to say that after you have a clean bowl and no longer hunger for more rice gruel you no longer have any need for your bowl.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill! > > Completely wrong! That's the view that was rejected by the master who chose > Hui Neng over the monk who claimed Zen was keeping the mirror free of dust.... > > Read Hui Neng's poem again. > > There is NO mirror that needs dusting to keep it clean. > There is NO bowl that needs to be washed! > > > Edgar > > > > On Sep 2, 2012, at 7:51 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > A clean bowl is realization...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], mike brown <uerusuboyo@> wrote: > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > Exactly. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 12:35 > > > Subject: Re: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > > > > > > > > Â > > > Mike, > > > > > > Yes, the problem with these pithy 'in crowd' Zen sayings is that bowls > > > can be washed WITHOUT realization just as they can be WITH realization... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 2, 2012, at 6:19 AM, mike brown wrote: > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > >Bill!, > > > > > > > >A great instruction, and is certainly direct, but Joshu's instructions > > > >were given to a monk who had probably been practicing meditation for a > > > >long time and was already 'ripe' for awakening to happen. Imagine how > > > >useful that instruction would be to a neophyte coming off the street > > > >asking about the search for truth or something similar. Joshu's > > > >instruction is just that - an instruction. That's why i believe Buddha's > > > >skilful means (upaya) is so useful as a teaching method. On the one side > > > >we can have the direct pointing to the Dharma (Zen) and on the other we > > > >can have Therevada Buddhism with it's more step by step instructions, > > > >such as following the Noble eightfold Path. > > > > > > > >The Buddha was very wise to understand that there are many different > > > >kinds of people/cultures/personalities etc. out there and no one method > > > >will work > > > for all. I think it should be clear now that "wash you bowls" just isn't > > > going to work for someone like ED. If you agree, what else could you say > > > that might help him? > > > > > > > >Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > > > From: Bill! <BillSmart@> > > > >To: [email protected] > > > >Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2012, 9:48 > > > >Subject: [Zen] Re: " dancing with the daffodils" > > > > > > > > > > > >Â > > > >ED, > > > > > > > >Mind if Joshu and I jump in? > > > > > > > >"WASH YOUR BOWLS!" That's how...Bill! (and Joshu) > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], "ED" <seacrofter001@> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Edgar, > > > >> > > > >> And how is this magic trick accomplished? > > > >> > > > >> --ED > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > ED, > > > >> > > > > >> > Stop practicing and just BE your Buddha Nature! > > > >> > > > > >> > Edgar > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Edgar, > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Therefore, although each of us is complete, we need to practice > > > >> > > diligently at all times with no objective in mind? > > > >> > > > > > >> > > --ED > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Joe and Merle, > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > There is no 'goal' of enlightenment to be achieved without which > > > >> you > > > >> > > imagine you are incomplete.... > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > There is no incompleteness. This understanding is an essential > > > >> aspect > > > >> > > of realization... > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Wham! > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > Edgar > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
