Edgar, I am very good at applying logic. I've made my living doing that for most of my professional life as a computer analyst. But, as I often say, logic is not the only tool in my tool bag. It's just one of them. I feel free to use the ones that I feel are the most appropriate depending on the situation.
You on the other had give me the impression that you think logic is some kind of 'wunderwasse' (super-weapon) that can and should be used in all situations. I see your posts on zen as textual examples of the old adage, 'When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.' Zen is easy. Trying to describe Buddha Nature in logical terms is very difficult if not completely impossible. It's just not the right tool for that. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Yes, you are generally good at what you deny exists. Except in a few very > important areas! > ;-) > > Edgar > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > I'm no master but I do like to test your logic once in a while...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Glad I passed the master's test! > > > :-) > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > Okay, good answer. I just wanted to test out your 'ethics must apply > > > > equally' statement...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If I was starving sure... > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > > > > > So would you now be prepared (albeit reluctantly) to eat human > > > > > > flesh? ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ate no meat at all for 17 years. I now eat a little reluctantly > > > > > > > because if I don't I get metabolic fatigue symptoms... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you a vegetarian? ...or if not, a cannibal? ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe and Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any valid ethical principle must apply equally well to both > > > > > > > > > humans and other species.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not to a cat what you would not do to a human.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 2:31 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neuter the humans who breed more that 2 offspring !..merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, just understand that I did my best to tell you the > > > > > > > > > > worst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think one must, should, and CAN weigh the total good > > > > > > > > > > done, against any harm. Overall, the avoidance of > > > > > > > > > > starvation and disease in 6 or 7 offspring kittens can > > > > > > > > > > count more on the cosmic brownie-point-scale than fright > > > > > > > > > > given to the potential parent, and a sore pubis for 3 days > > > > > > > > > > or so. No one can convince you of that, and not everyone is > > > > > > > > > > capable of putting in the effort to borrow the > > > > > > > > > > "Hav-a-Heart" trap from the spay-clinic free of charge, nor > > > > > > > > > > in baiting it to capture the cat in question. It does take > > > > > > > > > > some directed effort! I don't say I've ever gotten good at > > > > > > > > > > it, but I have been doing it close to 50 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll say frankly though, to emphasize: I think it is > > > > > > > > > > immoral to feed the starving females without having them > > > > > > > > > > neutered, first. Feeding them makes them fertile if they > > > > > > > > > > are not first spayed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this matter, though, you will of course be the Judge, > > > > > > > > > > Your Honor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think to get the cat's consent, just consult your > > > > > > > > > > conscience, and recall that we are all in this together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (my conscience tells me neuter them, or never, ever, feed > > > > > > > > > > them; thus, I neuter them, because I want them to live). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jfnewell7" <jfnewell7@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that that is the standard advice, but I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > how to get the cats' informed consent to be spayed or > > > > > > > > > > > neutered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! 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