yes bill..both sides are equally valid...we who are human are constantly performing like trained seals to think logic logic..when in reality we are just the tiny tiny microscopic one call creatures who evolved from the cosmic soup..some of us are still soup like STILL! merle
Edgar, I am very good at applying logic. I've made my living doing that for most of my professional life as a computer analyst. But, as I often say, logic is not the only tool in my tool bag. It's just one of them. I feel free to use the ones that I feel are the most appropriate depending on the situation. You on the other had give me the impression that you think logic is some kind of 'wunderwasse' (super-weapon) that can and should be used in all situations. I see your posts on zen as textual examples of the old adage, 'When all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail.' Zen is easy. Trying to describe Buddha Nature in logical terms is very difficult if not completely impossible. It's just not the right tool for that. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Yes, you are generally good at what you deny exists. Except in a few very > important areas! > ;-) > > Edgar > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 10:01 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > I'm no master but I do like to test your logic once in a while...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Glad I passed the master's test! > > > :-) > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > Okay, good answer. I just wanted to test out your 'ethics must apply > > > > equally' statement...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > If I was starving sure... > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > > > > > So would you now be prepared (albeit reluctantly) to eat human > > > > > > flesh? ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I ate no meat at all for 17 years. I now eat a little reluctantly > > > > > > > because if I don't I get metabolic fatigue symptoms... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are you a vegetarian? ...or if not, a cannibal? ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe and Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any valid ethical principle must apply equally well to both > > > > > > > > > humans and other species.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not to a cat what you would not do to a human.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 2:31 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neuter the humans who breed more that 2 offspring !..merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, just understand that I did my best to tell you the > > > > > > > > > > worst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think one must, should, and CAN weigh the total good > > > > > > > > > > done, against any harm. Overall, the avoidance of > > > > > > > > > > starvation and disease in 6 or 7 offspring kittens can > > > > > > > > > > count more on the cosmic brownie-point-scale than fright > > > > > > > > > > given to the potential parent, and a sore pubis for 3 days > > > > > > > > > > or so. No one can convince you of that, and not everyone is > > > > > > > > > > capable of putting in the effort to borrow the > > > > > > > > > > "Hav-a-Heart" trap from the spay-clinic free of charge, nor > > > > > > > > > > in baiting it to capture the cat in question. It does take > > > > > > > > > > some directed effort! I don't say I've ever gotten good at > > > > > > > > > > it, but I have been doing it close to 50 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll say frankly though, to emphasize: I think it is > > > > > > > > > > immoral to feed the starving females without having them > > > > > > > > > > neutered, first. Feeding them makes them fertile if they > > > > > > > > > > are not first spayed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this matter, though, you will of course be the Judge, > > > > > > > > > > Your Honor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think to get the cat's consent, just consult your > > > > > > > > > > conscience, and recall that we are all in this together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (my conscience tells me neuter them, or never, ever, feed > > > > > > > > > > them; thus, I neuter them, because I want them to live). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jfnewell7" <jfnewell7@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that that is the standard advice, but I don't know > > > > > > > > > > > how to get the cats' informed consent to be spayed or > > > > > > > > > > > neutered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
