Glad I passed the master's test! :-) Edgar
On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:53 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > Okay, good answer. I just wanted to test out your 'ethics must apply equally' > statement...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > If I was starving sure... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > So would you now be prepared (albeit reluctantly) to eat human flesh? > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > I ate no meat at all for 17 years. I now eat a little reluctantly > > > > because if I don't I get metabolic fatigue symptoms... > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > > > Are you a vegetarian? ...or if not, a cannibal? ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe and Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > Any valid ethical principle must apply equally well to both humans > > > > > > and other species.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not to a cat what you would not do to a human.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 9, 2012, at 2:31 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > neuter the humans who breed more that 2 offspring !..merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OK, just understand that I did my best to tell you the worst. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think one must, should, and CAN weigh the total good done, > > > > > > > against any harm. Overall, the avoidance of starvation and > > > > > > > disease in 6 or 7 offspring kittens can count more on the cosmic > > > > > > > brownie-point-scale than fright given to the potential parent, > > > > > > > and a sore pubis for 3 days or so. No one can convince you of > > > > > > > that, and not everyone is capable of putting in the effort to > > > > > > > borrow the "Hav-a-Heart" trap from the spay-clinic free of > > > > > > > charge, nor in baiting it to capture the cat in question. It does > > > > > > > take some directed effort! I don't say I've ever gotten good at > > > > > > > it, but I have been doing it close to 50 years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll say frankly though, to emphasize: I think it is immoral to > > > > > > > feed the starving females without having them neutered, first. > > > > > > > Feeding them makes them fertile if they are not first spayed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this matter, though, you will of course be the Judge, Your > > > > > > > Honor. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think to get the cat's consent, just consult your conscience, > > > > > > > and recall that we are all in this together. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (my conscience tells me neuter them, or never, ever, feed them; > > > > > > > thus, I neuter them, because I want them to live). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jfnewell7" <jfnewell7@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know that that is the standard advice, but I don't know how > > > > > > > > to get the cats' informed consent to be spayed or neutered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
