"Zen is experiencing your sense of self for what it really is, a very useful illusion necessary to maintain your existence...."
okay. what else is Zen? hongyeongsoo On 10/26/12, Edgar Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill, > > So what? The self can enjoy being satisfied with what it gets without > getting everything it wants. > > Not being satisfied completely all the time is no big deal.... > > Looking forward to the next cookie is just fine. > > It's the obsessing about not having it now which is the problem. > > Zen includes looking forward to the next cookie. What Zen is NOT is trashing > looking forward to the next cookie. > > One needs some common sense here. It's suffering because you don't have a > cookie that is NOT Zen. Looking forward to the next cookie is just fine.... > > And it is saying that looking forward to the next cookie is not Zen that is > really what is NOT Zen.... > > > > While the notion that that person self in the usual sense is ultimately an > illusion, Zen is enjoying and living your illusions while understanding them > for what they really are. > > Zen is NOT completely ditching your sense of self. For one thing it's > impossible so long as you live... Zen is experiencing your sense of self for > what it really is, a very useful illusion necessary to maintain your > existence.... > > Edgar > > > > On Oct 26, 2012, at 4:02 AM, Bill! wrote: > >> Suresh, >> >> Your self wants to question and seeks answers. Your self wants this and >> wants that - and never stops. No answers can fulfill your self because as >> soon as an answer appears your self creates another question. As soon as >> one desire is fulfilled your self creates another desire. >> >> There is no means of satisfying your self. >> >> ...Bill! >> >> --- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@...> wrote: >> > >> > Hi all >> > >> > Who wants to question? Who seeks answer? What is that he wants? Why no >> > answers fullfill him? >> > >> > Suresh >> > >> > On 10/25/12, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >> > > Suresh, >> > > >> > > Well, yes and no. Your own nature IS Buddha nature... >> > > >> > > Edgar >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Oct 24, 2012, at 8:55 PM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: >> > > >> > >> >> > >> Zen is not on how to attain buddha nature rather it is how to >> > >> dissolve >> > >> your own nature. >> > >> >> > >> suresh >> > >> >> > >> On Oct 25, 2012 5:31 AM, "Merle Lester" <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: >> > >> This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! >> > >> (merlewiitpom@...) Add cleanup rule | More info >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> yuk!.... merle >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> Joe, Merle, etc. >> > >> >> > >> It wasn't just a stick but a stick wrapped in something soft. I don't >> > >> know >> > >> what the orientals wrapped them in but these were used by the Romans >> > >> for >> > >> example where a sponge was wrapped around a stick. The sponges would >> > >> be >> > >> dipped in water or more often vinegar to clean the bottom after >> > >> defecating. They were left beside the seats at public latrines for >> > >> common >> > >> use. >> > >> >> > >> In fact that is exactly what was used by the Roman soldiers when >> > >> Jesus was >> > >> on the cross and asked for water. Instead they held up a shit wiping >> > >> stick >> > >> dipped in vinegar to his mouth. >> > >> >> > >> A little known historical fact! >> > >> >> > >> Edgar >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> On Oct 23, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Joe wrote: >> > >> >> > >>> >> > >>> Merle, >> > >>> >> > >>> The latter, I think. I imagine it was fashioned in the form of a >> > >>> flat >> > >>> blade, like a palette-knife, or putty knife, probably from a broad >> > >>> thin >> > >>> piece of architectural bamboo. >> > >>> >> > >>> It must have been a common enough accessory in use at the Ch'an >> > >>> monasteries, some of which housed hundreds of monks or nuns, and >> > >>> the >> > >>> latrines must have been extensive. And so the Master made use of >> > >>> the >> > >>> stick as an example, in his teaching. >> > >>> >> > >>> Others might have answered, "The Oak Tree in the court yard" (but at >> > >>> some >> > >>> of the monasteries on high mountains, Oaks did not grow, but mostly >> > >>> Pines >> > >>> did/do). Bamboo could be brought up from below, for building, and >> > >>> for >> > >>> implements. >> > >>> >> > >>> Still others might have answered, "Just THIS!". >> > >>> >> > >>> The Master was very compassionate, bringing the student back into >> > >>> the >> > >>> "here and now" with what he said and how he said it. >> > >>> >> > >>> --Joe >> > >>> >> > >>> > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >> > >>> > >> > >>> > huh??????? wiping what.... the toilet or the arse?.. >> > >>> > so it's an arse wiping stick? >> > >>> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Thanks and best regards >> > J.Suresh >> > New No.3, Old No.7, >> > Chamiers road - 1st Lane, >> > Alwarpet, >> > Chennai - 600018 >> > Ph: 044 42030947 >> > Mobile: 91 9884071738 >> > >> >> > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
