One can type whole heartedly and still create the idea of self? How odd . . .
Thanks, Chris Austin-Lane Sent from a cell phone On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:20, Edgar Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > Bill, > > You haven't done it when you are writing this post. You may do it while > sitting, but you can't do it 24/7. > > Zen is 24/7, not just when sitting.. > > Edgar > > > On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Bill! wrote: > >> Edgar, >> >> 'Ditching' the illusion of self is the very core of zen. Of course you can >> do it. That's what happens when you realize Buddha Nature. >> >> ...Bill! >> >> --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >>> >>> Bill, >>> >>> So what? The self can enjoy being satisfied with what it gets without >>> getting everything it wants. >>> >>> Not being satisfied completely all the time is no big deal.... >>> >>> Looking forward to the next cookie is just fine. >>> >>> It's the obsessing about not having it now which is the problem. >>> >>> Zen includes looking forward to the next cookie. What Zen is NOT is >>> trashing looking forward to the next cookie. >>> >>> One needs some common sense here. It's suffering because you don't have a >>> cookie that is NOT Zen. Looking forward to the next cookie is just fine.... >>> >>> And it is saying that looking forward to the next cookie is not Zen that is >>> really what is NOT Zen.... >>> >>> >>> >>> While the notion that that person self in the usual sense is ultimately an >>> illusion, Zen is enjoying and living your illusions while understanding >>> them for what they really are. >>> >>> Zen is NOT completely ditching your sense of self. For one thing it's >>> impossible so long as you live... Zen is experiencing your sense of self >>> for what it really is, a very useful illusion necessary to maintain your >>> existence.... >>> >>> Edgar >>> >>> >>> >>> On Oct 26, 2012, at 4:02 AM, Bill! wrote: >>> >>>> Suresh, >>>> >>>> Your self wants to question and seeks answers. Your self wants this and >>>> wants that - and never stops. No answers can fulfill your self because as >>>> soon as an answer appears your self creates another question. As soon as >>>> one desire is fulfilled your self creates another desire. >>>> >>>> There is no means of satisfying your self. >>>> >>>> ...Bill! >>>> >>>> --- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi all >>>>> >>>>> Who wants to question? Who seeks answer? What is that he wants? Why no >>>>> answers fullfill him? >>>>> >>>>> Suresh >>>>> >>>>> On 10/25/12, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: >>>>>> Suresh, >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, yes and no. Your own nature IS Buddha nature... >>>>>> >>>>>> Edgar >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 24, 2012, at 8:55 PM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Zen is not on how to attain buddha nature rather it is how to dissolve >>>>>>> your own nature. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> suresh >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 25, 2012 5:31 AM, "Merle Lester" <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >>>>>>> This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! >>>>>>> (merlewiitpom@) Add cleanup rule | More info >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yuk!.... merle >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Joe, Merle, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It wasn't just a stick but a stick wrapped in something soft. I don't >>>>>>> know >>>>>>> what the orientals wrapped them in but these were used by the Romans for >>>>>>> example where a sponge was wrapped around a stick. The sponges would be >>>>>>> dipped in water or more often vinegar to clean the bottom after >>>>>>> defecating. They were left beside the seats at public latrines for >>>>>>> common >>>>>>> use. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In fact that is exactly what was used by the Roman soldiers when Jesus >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> on the cross and asked for water. Instead they held up a shit wiping >>>>>>> stick >>>>>>> dipped in vinegar to his mouth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A little known historical fact! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Edgar >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Oct 23, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Joe wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Merle, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The latter, I think. I imagine it was fashioned in the form of a flat >>>>>>>> blade, like a palette-knife, or putty knife, probably from a broad thin >>>>>>>> piece of architectural bamboo. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It must have been a common enough accessory in use at the Ch'an >>>>>>>> monasteries, some of which housed hundreds of monks or nuns, and the >>>>>>>> latrines must have been extensive. And so the Master made use of the >>>>>>>> stick as an example, in his teaching. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Others might have answered, "The Oak Tree in the court yard" (but at >>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>> of the monasteries on high mountains, Oaks did not grow, but mostly >>>>>>>> Pines >>>>>>>> did/do). Bamboo could be brought up from below, for building, and for >>>>>>>> implements. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Still others might have answered, "Just THIS!". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Master was very compassionate, bringing the student back into the >>>>>>>> "here and now" with what he said and how he said it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --Joe >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> huh??????? wiping what.... the toilet or the arse?.. >>>>>>>>> so it's an arse wiping stick? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thanks and best regards >>>>> J.Suresh >>>>> New No.3, Old No.7, >>>>> Chamiers road - 1st Lane, >>>>> Alwarpet, >>>>> Chennai - 600018 >>>>> Ph: 044 42030947 >>>>> Mobile: 91 9884071738 > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are > reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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