Bill, You haven't done it when you are writing this post. You may do it while sitting, but you can't do it 24/7.
Zen is 24/7, not just when sitting.. Edgar On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:59 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > 'Ditching' the illusion of self is the very core of zen. Of course you can > do it. That's what happens when you realize Buddha Nature. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> So what? The self can enjoy being satisfied with what it gets without >> getting everything it wants. >> >> Not being satisfied completely all the time is no big deal.... >> >> Looking forward to the next cookie is just fine. >> >> It's the obsessing about not having it now which is the problem. >> >> Zen includes looking forward to the next cookie. What Zen is NOT is trashing >> looking forward to the next cookie. >> >> One needs some common sense here. It's suffering because you don't have a >> cookie that is NOT Zen. Looking forward to the next cookie is just fine.... >> >> And it is saying that looking forward to the next cookie is not Zen that is >> really what is NOT Zen.... >> >> >> >> While the notion that that person self in the usual sense is ultimately an >> illusion, Zen is enjoying and living your illusions while understanding them >> for what they really are. >> >> Zen is NOT completely ditching your sense of self. For one thing it's >> impossible so long as you live... Zen is experiencing your sense of self for >> what it really is, a very useful illusion necessary to maintain your >> existence.... >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Oct 26, 2012, at 4:02 AM, Bill! wrote: >> >>> Suresh, >>> >>> Your self wants to question and seeks answers. Your self wants this and >>> wants that - and never stops. No answers can fulfill your self because as >>> soon as an answer appears your self creates another question. As soon as >>> one desire is fulfilled your self creates another desire. >>> >>> There is no means of satisfying your self. >>> >>> ...Bill! >>> >>> --- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> Who wants to question? Who seeks answer? What is that he wants? Why no >>>> answers fullfill him? >>>> >>>> Suresh >>>> >>>> On 10/25/12, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: >>>>> Suresh, >>>>> >>>>> Well, yes and no. Your own nature IS Buddha nature... >>>>> >>>>> Edgar >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 24, 2012, at 8:55 PM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Zen is not on how to attain buddha nature rather it is how to dissolve >>>>>> your own nature. >>>>>> >>>>>> suresh >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 25, 2012 5:31 AM, "Merle Lester" <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >>>>>> This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! >>>>>> (merlewiitpom@) Add cleanup rule | More info >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> yuk!.... merle >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe, Merle, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> It wasn't just a stick but a stick wrapped in something soft. I don't >>>>>> know >>>>>> what the orientals wrapped them in but these were used by the Romans for >>>>>> example where a sponge was wrapped around a stick. The sponges would be >>>>>> dipped in water or more often vinegar to clean the bottom after >>>>>> defecating. They were left beside the seats at public latrines for common >>>>>> use. >>>>>> >>>>>> In fact that is exactly what was used by the Roman soldiers when Jesus >>>>>> was >>>>>> on the cross and asked for water. Instead they held up a shit wiping >>>>>> stick >>>>>> dipped in vinegar to his mouth. >>>>>> >>>>>> A little known historical fact! >>>>>> >>>>>> Edgar >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 23, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Joe wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Merle, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The latter, I think. I imagine it was fashioned in the form of a flat >>>>>>> blade, like a palette-knife, or putty knife, probably from a broad thin >>>>>>> piece of architectural bamboo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It must have been a common enough accessory in use at the Ch'an >>>>>>> monasteries, some of which housed hundreds of monks or nuns, and the >>>>>>> latrines must have been extensive. And so the Master made use of the >>>>>>> stick as an example, in his teaching. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Others might have answered, "The Oak Tree in the court yard" (but at >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> of the monasteries on high mountains, Oaks did not grow, but mostly >>>>>>> Pines >>>>>>> did/do). Bamboo could be brought up from below, for building, and for >>>>>>> implements. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Still others might have answered, "Just THIS!". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Master was very compassionate, bringing the student back into the >>>>>>> "here and now" with what he said and how he said it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Joe >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> huh??????? wiping what.... the toilet or the arse?.. >>>>>>>> so it's an arse wiping stick? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Thanks and best regards >>>> J.Suresh >>>> New No.3, Old No.7, >>>> Chamiers road - 1st Lane, >>>> Alwarpet, >>>> Chennai - 600018 >>>> Ph: 044 42030947 >>>> Mobile: 91 9884071738 >>>> >>> >>> >> > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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