YonYonson, You ask the right question.
Zen is everything else - seen as its true nature.. There is nothing that is not Zen when properly realized in its true nature... EDgar On Oct 26, 2012, at 2:46 PM, [email protected] wrote: > "Zen is experiencing your sense of self for what it really is, a very > useful illusion necessary to maintain your existence...." > > okay. what else is Zen? > > hongyeongsoo > > On 10/26/12, Edgar Owen <[email protected]> wrote: > > Bill, > > > > So what? The self can enjoy being satisfied with what it gets without > > getting everything it wants. > > > > Not being satisfied completely all the time is no big deal.... > > > > Looking forward to the next cookie is just fine. > > > > It's the obsessing about not having it now which is the problem. > > > > Zen includes looking forward to the next cookie. What Zen is NOT is trashing > > looking forward to the next cookie. > > > > One needs some common sense here. It's suffering because you don't have a > > cookie that is NOT Zen. Looking forward to the next cookie is just fine.... > > > > And it is saying that looking forward to the next cookie is not Zen that is > > really what is NOT Zen.... > > > > > > > > While the notion that that person self in the usual sense is ultimately an > > illusion, Zen is enjoying and living your illusions while understanding them > > for what they really are. > > > > Zen is NOT completely ditching your sense of self. For one thing it's > > impossible so long as you live... Zen is experiencing your sense of self for > > what it really is, a very useful illusion necessary to maintain your > > existence.... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Oct 26, 2012, at 4:02 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > >> Suresh, > >> > >> Your self wants to question and seeks answers. Your self wants this and > >> wants that - and never stops. No answers can fulfill your self because as > >> soon as an answer appears your self creates another question. As soon as > >> one desire is fulfilled your self creates another desire. > >> > >> There is no means of satisfying your self. > >> > >> ...Bill! > >> > >> --- In [email protected], SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@...> wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi all > >> > > >> > Who wants to question? Who seeks answer? What is that he wants? Why no > >> > answers fullfill him? > >> > > >> > Suresh > >> > > >> > On 10/25/12, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > >> > > Suresh, > >> > > > >> > > Well, yes and no. Your own nature IS Buddha nature... > >> > > > >> > > Edgar > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > On Oct 24, 2012, at 8:55 PM, SURESH JAGADEESAN wrote: > >> > > > >> > >> > >> > >> Zen is not on how to attain buddha nature rather it is how to > >> > >> dissolve > >> > >> your own nature. > >> > >> > >> > >> suresh > >> > >> > >> > >> On Oct 25, 2012 5:31 AM, "Merle Lester" <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > >> > >> This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup! > >> > >> (merlewiitpom@...) Add cleanup rule | More info > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> yuk!.... merle > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Joe, Merle, etc. > >> > >> > >> > >> It wasn't just a stick but a stick wrapped in something soft. I don't > >> > >> know > >> > >> what the orientals wrapped them in but these were used by the Romans > >> > >> for > >> > >> example where a sponge was wrapped around a stick. The sponges would > >> > >> be > >> > >> dipped in water or more often vinegar to clean the bottom after > >> > >> defecating. They were left beside the seats at public latrines for > >> > >> common > >> > >> use. > >> > >> > >> > >> In fact that is exactly what was used by the Roman soldiers when > >> > >> Jesus was > >> > >> on the cross and asked for water. Instead they held up a shit wiping > >> > >> stick > >> > >> dipped in vinegar to his mouth. > >> > >> > >> > >> A little known historical fact! > >> > >> > >> > >> Edgar > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Oct 23, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Joe wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Merle, > >> > >>> > >> > >>> The latter, I think. I imagine it was fashioned in the form of a > >> > >>> flat > >> > >>> blade, like a palette-knife, or putty knife, probably from a broad > >> > >>> thin > >> > >>> piece of architectural bamboo. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> It must have been a common enough accessory in use at the Ch'an > >> > >>> monasteries, some of which housed hundreds of monks or nuns, and > >> > >>> the > >> > >>> latrines must have been extensive. And so the Master made use of > >> > >>> the > >> > >>> stick as an example, in his teaching. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Others might have answered, "The Oak Tree in the court yard" (but at > >> > >>> some > >> > >>> of the monasteries on high mountains, Oaks did not grow, but mostly > >> > >>> Pines > >> > >>> did/do). Bamboo could be brought up from below, for building, and > >> > >>> for > >> > >>> implements. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> Still others might have answered, "Just THIS!". > >> > >>> > >> > >>> The Master was very compassionate, bringing the student back into > >> > >>> the > >> > >>> "here and now" with what he said and how he said it. > >> > >>> > >> > >>> --Joe > >> > >>> > >> > >>> > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > >> > >>> > > >> > >>> > huh??????? wiping what.... the toilet or the arse?.. > >> > >>> > so it's an arse wiping stick? > >> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Thanks and best regards > >> > J.Suresh > >> > New No.3, Old No.7, > >> > Chamiers road - 1st Lane, > >> > Alwarpet, > >> > Chennai - 600018 > >> > Ph: 044 42030947 > >> > Mobile: 91 9884071738 > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >
