Edgar, You continue to beat a dead horse.
No one on this forum, including Joe, has every said that a teacher/guru/roshi/etc... is absolutely necessary to realize Buddha Nature - just as having a math teacher is not absolutely necessary to learn how to do calculus. But...I'll bet you that there are a lot more people that can do calculus who learned it through the guidance of a teacher then those that developed that ability entirely on their own. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Joe, > > The problem with this analysis is that is assumes that realization is > something that a teacher transmits to a disciple. > > There is NO transmission. > > Zen is not something a teacher has and then gives a student. > > Zen is an inherent characteristic of all reality. No teacher has any monopoly > on it. It's found in the most seemingly insignificant speck of dirt just as > much as in the greatest teacher. > > Realization is simply opening oneself to reality. While teachers can help > focus the way, they are not essential, and as we have seen can sometimes be a > distraction as when they start talking about yam leaves. > > Edgar > > > > > > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:33 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > beautiful joe...merle > > > > > > Dear Suresh, > > > > The human teacher is the one who has Compassion, and hence WILL teach you; > > > > The human teacher is the one who has developed skilful means due to his > > compassion, and hence is ABLE to teach you; > > > > The human teacher's life is lived as the life of Nature (which you call the > > 'whole universe'), and hence the human teacher IS the universe teaching you. > > > > Why not see a teacher who speaks your language and can shake your hand? > > That is the human teacher. > > > > Awaken with the human teacher, and then go and sit among the bushes and > > grasses, and enlighten THEM. And all beings. And me. > > > > --Joe > > > > > SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@> wrote: > > > > > > Who is teacher? If the whole universe is not your teacher, how > > > can some human form be teacher? [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
