Merle, Exactly right.
Edgar On Nov 22, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > billlll.. > > .let's put it this way...someone had to actually discover calculus.... the > original mind.. > .i do not believe there is a teacher/ guru worth their weight in gold who > would not encourage and praise folk who realise their buddha nature.." > themselves". > ..after all the "master" is just another human being...no more or less than > any other human being..setting teachers/ gurus on pedestals..... > .i do not believe this is the zen way.. > .we free ourselves from attachments ( your favourite saying bill....) > no teacher/ guru wants a lap dog as a student. > .merle > > > Bill, > > I broke out laughing at your equating Zen and calculus! > > Even I don't go to that extreme! > > Edgar > > > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Bill! wrote: > >> >> Edgar, >> >> You continue to beat a dead horse. >> >> No one on this forum, including Joe, has every said that a >> teacher/guru/roshi/etc... is absolutely necessary to realize Buddha Nature - >> just as having a math teacher is not absolutely necessary to learn how to do >> calculus. But...I'll bet you that there are a lot more people that can do >> calculus who learned it through the guidance of a teacher then those that >> developed that ability entirely on their own. >> >> ...Bill! >> >> --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: >> > >> > Joe, >> > >> > The problem with this analysis is that is assumes that realization is >> > something that a teacher transmits to a disciple. >> > >> > There is NO transmission. >> > >> > Zen is not something a teacher has and then gives a student. >> > >> > Zen is an inherent characteristic of all reality. No teacher has any >> > monopoly on it. It's found in the most seemingly insignificant speck of >> > dirt just as much as in the greatest teacher. >> > >> > Realization is simply opening oneself to reality. While teachers can help >> > focus the way, they are not essential, and as we have seen can sometimes >> > be a distraction as when they start talking about yam leaves. >> > >> > Edgar >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:33 AM, Merle Lester wrote: >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > beautiful joe...merle >> > > >> > > >> > > Dear Suresh, >> > > >> > > The human teacher is the one who has Compassion, and hence WILL teach >> > > you; >> > > >> > > The human teacher is the one who has developed skilful means due to his >> > > compassion, and hence is ABLE to teach you; >> > > >> > > The human teacher's life is lived as the life of Nature (which you call >> > > the 'whole universe'), and hence the human teacher IS the universe >> > > teaching you. >> > > >> > > Why not see a teacher who speaks your language and can shake your hand? >> > > That is the human teacher. >> > > >> > > Awaken with the human teacher, and then go and sit among the bushes and >> > > grasses, and enlighten THEM. And all beings. And me. >> > > >> > > --Joe >> > > >> > > > SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Who is teacher? If the whole universe is not your teacher, how >> > > > can some human form be teacher? [snip] >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >
