Bill, I broke out laughing at your equating Zen and calculus!
Even I don't go to that extreme! Edgar On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:12 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > You continue to beat a dead horse. > > No one on this forum, including Joe, has every said that a > teacher/guru/roshi/etc... is absolutely necessary to realize Buddha Nature - > just as having a math teacher is not absolutely necessary to learn how to do > calculus. But...I'll bet you that there are a lot more people that can do > calculus who learned it through the guidance of a teacher then those that > developed that ability entirely on their own. > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Joe, > > > > The problem with this analysis is that is assumes that realization is > > something that a teacher transmits to a disciple. > > > > There is NO transmission. > > > > Zen is not something a teacher has and then gives a student. > > > > Zen is an inherent characteristic of all reality. No teacher has any > > monopoly on it. It's found in the most seemingly insignificant speck of > > dirt just as much as in the greatest teacher. > > > > Realization is simply opening oneself to reality. While teachers can help > > focus the way, they are not essential, and as we have seen can sometimes be > > a distraction as when they start talking about yam leaves. > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 22, 2012, at 1:33 AM, Merle Lester wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > beautiful joe...merle > > > > > > > > > Dear Suresh, > > > > > > The human teacher is the one who has Compassion, and hence WILL teach you; > > > > > > The human teacher is the one who has developed skilful means due to his > > > compassion, and hence is ABLE to teach you; > > > > > > The human teacher's life is lived as the life of Nature (which you call > > > the 'whole universe'), and hence the human teacher IS the universe > > > teaching you. > > > > > > Why not see a teacher who speaks your language and can shake your hand? > > > That is the human teacher. > > > > > > Awaken with the human teacher, and then go and sit among the bushes and > > > grasses, and enlighten THEM. And all beings. And me. > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > SURESH JAGADEESAN <varamtha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Who is teacher? If the whole universe is not your teacher, how > > > > can some human form be teacher? [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
