Bill!,

quoting Bill!:
" ...to someone attempting to get a clear picture of Zen."

This is no pat on the back to Edgar for his philosophical characterizations, 
nor a critique of your proper critique thereof.  

No; I'm just a wise-guy in this second, but I'd like to say that in order "to 
get a clear picture of Zen" these days, I spit on the lens, like old Edward 
Steichen did, one of the Three Patriarchs of American Photography.

;-}

--Joe

> "Bill!" <BillSmart@...> wrote:
>
> Carl,
> 
> I started to respond to Edgar's post below with a detailed account of how it 
> uses rhetoric and sophistry to present a pseudo-zen perspective of the 
> relationships between 'realization', suffering, "natural design of the web of 
> life" and of course zen.
> 
> It was just too much for me to take on this morning.
> 
> Just BEWARE of Edgar's posts on anything like this to do with zen.  They are 
> usually at best not an orthodox representation of Zen Buddhist thought and 
> therefore misleading; and at worst are a gruesome distortion that is in fact 
> completely contradictory and therefore absolutely detrimental to someone 
> attempting to get a clear picture of Zen.




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