Edgar, Zen isn't 'found' anywhere. You manifest it (well, not you). Dogen says that zazen is enlightenment made active and is a manifestation of Buddha Nature. To disagree just shows that what you profess to 'have' is not Zen.
Mike --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Joe and Merle, > > Wrong Joe! Zen is not something one finds in zen temples, or zen courses. > > Zen is what exists as the fundamental reality of the entire world. Merle's > area of Australia is part of the entire world I have no doubt..... > > Edgar > > > > On Mar 31, 2013, at 11:45 PM, Joe wrote: > > > Merle, > > > > What else can I tell you. If your cup is full already, no more can go in. > > > > You've asked your question 27 times: I've answered it 27 times. > > > > The Zen school teaches methods for awakening and for keeping awake. It's > > done in order that wisdom and compassion can arise freely. That is all. The > > Zen school is the "Sudden School". It will not teach you theory or > > background material. It is a school of practice, about practice. Key in > > that practice is a relationship with a human teacher. One must look within, > > yes, and one must have someone there with you, at least from time to time, > > while you learn how to do so. That is all! > > > > There are other schools of practice. They are not Zen. > > > > A teacher POINTS. > > > > Especially at the most crucial point, when you CANNOT do it yourself. > > > > --Joe > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > so your theory about finding a teacher jow...as any great teacher would > > > say...look within yourself... and seek and yea shall find..no one..and i > > > repeat no one can teach you to realise..you have to climb the mountain > > > yourself..if i choose to be my own teacher why are you forever bagging me > > > about this... have i seen the golden light?...too right..have you?..merle > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > Why such a "broken record" in the age of the CD-ROM? (is it still?). > > > > > > You may be the fist human in 2500 years to do it yourself, I don't know. > > > Buddha wore out 5 teachers before he opened his eyes on Venus. > > > > > > But *do-it-yourself* in the presence of a good teacher, and you'll be > > > safer, and increase the chances of lightning striking to burn off all > > > your old clothes. Yeah, that's what *I* call safety! And insurance. > > > Almost a guarantee. It depends on you!, and the Universe. Just begin and > > > continue. > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
