Mike, Why do you think I'm disagreeing with Dogen?
Clearly there is something you don't understand.... Edgar On Apr 1, 2013, at 9:20 AM, mike wrote: > Edgar, > > Zen isn't 'found' anywhere. You manifest it (well, not you). Dogen says that > zazen is enlightenment made active and is a manifestation of Buddha Nature. > To disagree just shows that what you profess to 'have' is not Zen. > > Mike > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Joe and Merle, > > > > Wrong Joe! Zen is not something one finds in zen temples, or zen courses. > > > > Zen is what exists as the fundamental reality of the entire world. Merle's > > area of Australia is part of the entire world I have no doubt..... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Mar 31, 2013, at 11:45 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > What else can I tell you. If your cup is full already, no more can go in. > > > > > > You've asked your question 27 times: I've answered it 27 times. > > > > > > The Zen school teaches methods for awakening and for keeping awake. It's > > > done in order that wisdom and compassion can arise freely. That is all. > > > The Zen school is the "Sudden School". It will not teach you theory or > > > background material. It is a school of practice, about practice. Key in > > > that practice is a relationship with a human teacher. One must look > > > within, yes, and one must have someone there with you, at least from time > > > to time, while you learn how to do so. That is all! > > > > > > There are other schools of practice. They are not Zen. > > > > > > A teacher POINTS. > > > > > > Especially at the most crucial point, when you CANNOT do it yourself. > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > so your theory about finding a teacher jow...as any great teacher would > > > > say...look within yourself... and seek and yea shall find..no one..and > > > > i repeat no one can teach you to realise..you have to climb the > > > > mountain yourself..if i choose to be my own teacher why are you forever > > > > bagging me about this... have i seen the golden light?...too > > > > right..have you?..merle > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > Why such a "broken record" in the age of the CD-ROM? (is it still?). > > > > > > > > You may be the fist human in 2500 years to do it yourself, I don't > > > > know. Buddha wore out 5 teachers before he opened his eyes on Venus. > > > > > > > > But *do-it-yourself* in the presence of a good teacher, and you'll be > > > > safer, and increase the chances of lightning striking to burn off all > > > > your old clothes. Yeah, that's what *I* call safety! And insurance. > > > > Almost a guarantee. It depends on you!, and the Universe. Just begin > > > > and continue. > > > > > > > > > >
