Edgar, Happy Birthday! Here's a present for you:
'Sitting is the gateway of truth to total liberation'. Enjoy! Mike --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Mike, > > I'm not joking. Perhaps I'm arguing about WHAT YOU THINK Dogen is saying. The > fact that you say 'Dogen stands for' makes me suspect that... > > Edgar > > > On Apr 1, 2013, at 10:11 AM, mike wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > You're joking, right? You argue against everything Dogen stands for! The > > need for a teacher and a strict, disciplined approach to Zen practice, > > especially the emphasis on zazen. It's not a question of me not > > understanding something, but you trying to pass off something you do as Zen. > > > > Mike > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Mike, > > > > > > Why do you think I'm disagreeing with Dogen? > > > > > > Clearly there is something you don't understand.... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 2013, at 9:20 AM, mike wrote: > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > Zen isn't 'found' anywhere. You manifest it (well, not you). Dogen says > > > > that zazen is enlightenment made active and is a manifestation of > > > > Buddha Nature. To disagree just shows that what you profess to 'have' > > > > is not Zen. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Joe and Merle, > > > > > > > > > > Wrong Joe! Zen is not something one finds in zen temples, or zen > > > > > courses. > > > > > > > > > > Zen is what exists as the fundamental reality of the entire world. > > > > > Merle's area of Australia is part of the entire world I have no > > > > > doubt..... > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 31, 2013, at 11:45 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > What else can I tell you. If your cup is full already, no more can > > > > > > go in. > > > > > > > > > > > > You've asked your question 27 times: I've answered it 27 times. > > > > > > > > > > > > The Zen school teaches methods for awakening and for keeping awake. > > > > > > It's done in order that wisdom and compassion can arise freely. > > > > > > That is all. The Zen school is the "Sudden School". It will not > > > > > > teach you theory or background material. It is a school of > > > > > > practice, about practice. Key in that practice is a relationship > > > > > > with a human teacher. One must look within, yes, and one must have > > > > > > someone there with you, at least from time to time, while you learn > > > > > > how to do so. That is all! > > > > > > > > > > > > There are other schools of practice. They are not Zen. > > > > > > > > > > > > A teacher POINTS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Especially at the most crucial point, when you CANNOT do it > > > > > > yourself. > > > > > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so your theory about finding a teacher jow...as any great teacher > > > > > > > would say...look within yourself... and seek and yea shall > > > > > > > find..no one..and i repeat no one can teach you to realise..you > > > > > > > have to climb the mountain yourself..if i choose to be my own > > > > > > > teacher why are you forever bagging me about this... have i seen > > > > > > > the golden light?...too right..have you?..merle > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why such a "broken record" in the age of the CD-ROM? (is it > > > > > > > still?). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You may be the fist human in 2500 years to do it yourself, I > > > > > > > don't know. Buddha wore out 5 teachers before he opened his eyes > > > > > > > on Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But *do-it-yourself* in the presence of a good teacher, and > > > > > > > you'll be safer, and increase the chances of lightning striking > > > > > > > to burn off all your old clothes. Yeah, that's what *I* call > > > > > > > safety! And insurance. Almost a guarantee. It depends on you!, > > > > > > > and the Universe. Just begin and continue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
