Mike, I'm not joking. Perhaps I'm arguing about WHAT YOU THINK Dogen is saying. The fact that you say 'Dogen stands for' makes me suspect that...
Edgar On Apr 1, 2013, at 10:11 AM, mike wrote: > Edgar, > > You're joking, right? You argue against everything Dogen stands for! The need > for a teacher and a strict, disciplined approach to Zen practice, especially > the emphasis on zazen. It's not a question of me not understanding something, > but you trying to pass off something you do as Zen. > > Mike > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Mike, > > > > Why do you think I'm disagreeing with Dogen? > > > > Clearly there is something you don't understand.... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 1, 2013, at 9:20 AM, mike wrote: > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > Zen isn't 'found' anywhere. You manifest it (well, not you). Dogen says > > > that zazen is enlightenment made active and is a manifestation of Buddha > > > Nature. To disagree just shows that what you profess to 'have' is not > > > Zen. > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Joe and Merle, > > > > > > > > Wrong Joe! Zen is not something one finds in zen temples, or zen > > > > courses. > > > > > > > > Zen is what exists as the fundamental reality of the entire world. > > > > Merle's area of Australia is part of the entire world I have no > > > > doubt..... > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 31, 2013, at 11:45 PM, Joe wrote: > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > What else can I tell you. If your cup is full already, no more can go > > > > > in. > > > > > > > > > > You've asked your question 27 times: I've answered it 27 times. > > > > > > > > > > The Zen school teaches methods for awakening and for keeping awake. > > > > > It's done in order that wisdom and compassion can arise freely. That > > > > > is all. The Zen school is the "Sudden School". It will not teach you > > > > > theory or background material. It is a school of practice, about > > > > > practice. Key in that practice is a relationship with a human > > > > > teacher. One must look within, yes, and one must have someone there > > > > > with you, at least from time to time, while you learn how to do so. > > > > > That is all! > > > > > > > > > > There are other schools of practice. They are not Zen. > > > > > > > > > > A teacher POINTS. > > > > > > > > > > Especially at the most crucial point, when you CANNOT do it yourself. > > > > > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > so your theory about finding a teacher jow...as any great teacher > > > > > > would say...look within yourself... and seek and yea shall find..no > > > > > > one..and i repeat no one can teach you to realise..you have to > > > > > > climb the mountain yourself..if i choose to be my own teacher why > > > > > > are you forever bagging me about this... have i seen the golden > > > > > > light?...too right..have you?..merle > > > > > > > > > > > > Merle, > > > > > > > > > > > > Why such a "broken record" in the age of the CD-ROM? (is it still?). > > > > > > > > > > > > You may be the fist human in 2500 years to do it yourself, I don't > > > > > > know. Buddha wore out 5 teachers before he opened his eyes on Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > But *do-it-yourself* in the presence of a good teacher, and you'll > > > > > > be safer, and increase the chances of lightning striking to burn > > > > > > off all your old clothes. Yeah, that's what *I* call safety! And > > > > > > insurance. Almost a guarantee. It depends on you!, and the > > > > > > Universe. Just begin and continue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
