Edgar,

Not in our case.  I was with a good teacher.  And he had a good student.

Once accepted, the methods work as we work.  Faith and reason both drop.  
Completely.

--Joe

> Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>
> Joe,
> 
> I suppose faith might help in practice but definitely something you have to 
> DROP to attain realization...
> 
> And the problem with faith is that it is IRRATIONAL TRUST and can very easily 
> lead the believer off the path...




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