too complicated at times...and that is where the zen zen zen is a wonderful "experience"..dare i say?..merle
Bob, Reality IS complicated... Edgar On Apr 28, 2013, at 9:07 PM, bobthomas564 wrote: >Hi Edgar - You remind me of a line from a favourite rock n roll song of >mine by a group called Garbage. the line is "I'm only happy when it's >complicated" . > >From "Only happy when it rains" if you like rock n roll here's' the >utube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEdC0c3YI4 > >Another great line is 'pour your misery down on me' > >--- In [email protected], Edgar Owen wrote: >> >> Bill and Merle, >> >> Here Bill is arguing against something I've never said so he's not >arguing against me, he's arguing against his own demons... >> >> Apparently Bill is continually beset by naughty little Zen demons >whispering he's wrong that he can't quite manage to exorcise! >> >> Bill, when you realize that all demons are actually Buddhas in >disguise you will understand! >> :-) >> >> Edgar >> >> >> >> On Apr 27, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Bill! wrote: >> >> > Edgar, >> > >> > Yes. I'm afraid we have a fundamental disagreement here. >> > >> > I think zen practice empties out your mind, and you think it fills >it up. >> > >> > Do you want to Rock/Paper/Scissors for it? >> > >> > ..Bill! >> > >> > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen edgarowen@ wrote: >> > > >> > > Bill, >> > > >> > > As usual you contradict the Zen teachings which I support.... >> > > >> > > Edgar >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Bill! wrote: >> > > >> > > > Edgar, >> > > > >> > > > I see your problem now. >> > > > >> > > > You think progress in zen is measured in ADDING ON things - like >knowledge. It's not. You progress in zen by TAKING AWAY things until you >get down to Just THIS! >> > > > >> > > > You don't progress from Level 2 to Level 3. You progress from >Level 2 to Level 1 and then to Level 0 which is actually no-level - >Buddha Nature. >> > > > >> > > > You're trying to fill you cup up instead of emptying it...Bill! >> > > > >> > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > Bill, >> > > > > >> > > > > That's Niels, not Neal. >> > > > > >> > > > > Go back to stage one and get it right. Do NOT pass go! >> > > > > :-) >> > > > > >> > > > > Edgar >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Bill! wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > Edgar, >> > > > > > >> > > > > > *** Sorry, I misread your post below and Replied >incorrectly. I erased that but if you get the posts by email you might >have received it. If you did please disregard. My corrected post is *** >> > > > > > >> > > > > > What do you mean Stage Three? Neal and I are done with Stage >Two and and now ready for Stage One! >> > > > > > >> > > > > > ...Bill! >> > > > > > >> > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bill, >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for the quote in which Bohr correctly expresses >stage two "mountains are no longer mountains". >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Stage three is when those unreal illusory things are >realized to be the true reality. Then mountains become mountains again.. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Both Bill and Bohr haven't reached that stage yet... >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Edgar >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:38 AM, Bill! wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Maybe Edgar will listen to him... >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ...Bill! >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >
