Edgar, I don't teach, I practice.
I don't talk, I do. I don't follow the teachings of the ancients, I experience Buddha Nature now. ...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > You are the one who continually TALKS against whatever I say, If you could > just stop TALKING and actually DOING what I teach you'd realize it's the > correct path. > > I teach what Dogen and most of the traditional Zen masters taught. > > By and large the Zen tradition as expressed by the Zen masters is finding > Buddha Nature IN ALL THINGS as the true nature of things. The Zen tradition > is NOT trying to ESCAPE from the world of things as you mistakenly believe.... > > Edgar > > > > > On Apr 28, 2013, at 5:30 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > So I'll take that for a no - you don't want to Rock/Paper/Scissors for it. > > It sounds like you still just want to talk, talk, talk... > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > Zen neither empties or fills your mind. The very concept of this dualism > > > is incorrect. > > > > > > Zen is simply opening mind to what is. It is pure consciousness of either > > > the forms or the formless.. > > > > > > And btw it is NOT "your mind". It is simply consciousness antecedent to > > > any distinction of self and not-self... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > Yes. I'm afraid we have a fundamental disagreement here. > > > > > > > > I think zen practice empties out your mind, and you think it fills it > > > > up. > > > > > > > > Do you want to Rock/Paper/Scissors for it? > > > > > > > > ..Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > As usual you contradict the Zen teachings which I support.... > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > > > > > I see your problem now. > > > > > > > > > > > > You think progress in zen is measured in ADDING ON things - like > > > > > > knowledge. It's not. You progress in zen by TAKING AWAY things > > > > > > until you get down to Just THIS! > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't progress from Level 2 to Level 3. You progress from Level > > > > > > 2 to Level 1 and then to Level 0 which is actually no-level - > > > > > > Buddha Nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > You're trying to fill you cup up instead of emptying it...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's Niels, not Neal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Go back to stage one and get it right. Do NOT pass go! > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** Sorry, I misread your post below and Replied incorrectly. I > > > > > > > > erased that but if you get the posts by email you might have > > > > > > > > received it. If you did please disregard. My corrected post is > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean Stage Three? Neal and I are done with Stage > > > > > > > > Two and and now ready for Stage One! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quote in which Bohr correctly expresses stage > > > > > > > > > two "mountains are no longer mountains". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stage three is when those unreal illusory things are realized > > > > > > > > > to be the true reality. Then mountains become mountains > > > > > > > > > again.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Bill and Bohr haven't reached that stage yet... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:38 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe Edgar will listen to him... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! 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