Hi Edgar - You remind me of a line from a favourite rock n roll song of mine by a group called Garbage. the line is "I'm only happy when it's complicated" .
>From "Only happy when it rains" if you like rock n roll here's' the utube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEdC0c3YI4 Another great line is 'pour your misery down on me' --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen wrote: > > Bill and Merle, > > Here Bill is arguing against something I've never said so he's not arguing against me, he's arguing against his own demons... > > Apparently Bill is continually beset by naughty little Zen demons whispering he's wrong that he can't quite manage to exorcise! > > Bill, when you realize that all demons are actually Buddhas in disguise you will understand! > :-) > > Edgar > > > > On Apr 27, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > Edgar, > > > > Yes. I'm afraid we have a fundamental disagreement here. > > > > I think zen practice empties out your mind, and you think it fills it up. > > > > Do you want to Rock/Paper/Scissors for it? > > > > ..Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen edgarowen@ wrote: > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > As usual you contradict the Zen teachings which I support.... > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > I see your problem now. > > > > > > > > You think progress in zen is measured in ADDING ON things - like knowledge. It's not. You progress in zen by TAKING AWAY things until you get down to Just THIS! > > > > > > > > You don't progress from Level 2 to Level 3. You progress from Level 2 to Level 1 and then to Level 0 which is actually no-level - Buddha Nature. > > > > > > > > You're trying to fill you cup up instead of emptying it...Bill! > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > That's Niels, not Neal. > > > > > > > > > > Go back to stage one and get it right. Do NOT pass go! > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > > > > > *** Sorry, I misread your post below and Replied incorrectly. I erased that but if you get the posts by email you might have received it. If you did please disregard. My corrected post is *** > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean Stage Three? Neal and I are done with Stage Two and and now ready for Stage One! > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quote in which Bohr correctly expresses stage two "mountains are no longer mountains". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stage three is when those unreal illusory things are realized to be the true reality. Then mountains become mountains again.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Bill and Bohr haven't reached that stage yet... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:38 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe Edgar will listen to him... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
