Bill, You are the one who continually TALKS against whatever I say, If you could just stop TALKING and actually DOING what I teach you'd realize it's the correct path.
I teach what Dogen and most of the traditional Zen masters taught. By and large the Zen tradition as expressed by the Zen masters is finding Buddha Nature IN ALL THINGS as the true nature of things. The Zen tradition is NOT trying to ESCAPE from the world of things as you mistakenly believe.... Edgar On Apr 28, 2013, at 5:30 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > So I'll take that for a no - you don't want to Rock/Paper/Scissors for it. It > sounds like you still just want to talk, talk, talk... > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > Bill, > > > > Zen neither empties or fills your mind. The very concept of this dualism is > > incorrect. > > > > Zen is simply opening mind to what is. It is pure consciousness of either > > the forms or the formless.. > > > > And btw it is NOT "your mind". It is simply consciousness antecedent to any > > distinction of self and not-self... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > Yes. I'm afraid we have a fundamental disagreement here. > > > > > > I think zen practice empties out your mind, and you think it fills it up. > > > > > > Do you want to Rock/Paper/Scissors for it? > > > > > > ..Bill! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > As usual you contradict the Zen teachings which I support.... > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 9:38 PM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > > > I see your problem now. > > > > > > > > > > You think progress in zen is measured in ADDING ON things - like > > > > > knowledge. It's not. You progress in zen by TAKING AWAY things until > > > > > you get down to Just THIS! > > > > > > > > > > You don't progress from Level 2 to Level 3. You progress from Level 2 > > > > > to Level 1 and then to Level 0 which is actually no-level - Buddha > > > > > Nature. > > > > > > > > > > You're trying to fill you cup up instead of emptying it...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > That's Niels, not Neal. > > > > > > > > > > > > Go back to stage one and get it right. Do NOT pass go! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 10:27 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** Sorry, I misread your post below and Replied incorrectly. I > > > > > > > erased that but if you get the posts by email you might have > > > > > > > received it. If you did please disregard. My corrected post is *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean Stage Three? Neal and I are done with Stage Two > > > > > > > and and now ready for Stage One! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the quote in which Bohr correctly expresses stage > > > > > > > > two "mountains are no longer mountains". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stage three is when those unreal illusory things are realized > > > > > > > > to be the true reality. Then mountains become mountains again.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both Bill and Bohr haven't reached that stage yet... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 2013, at 5:38 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe Edgar will listen to him... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...Bill! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
