Edgar, What then of all the sentient beings that are not endowed with the ability to reason?
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > In the history of humanity first things had to be figured out using reason. > Only after learning them can they be done via second nature. > > This is another proof that first we must understand reality. Only then can it > be directly experienced as it actually is. > > Of course we all directly experience reality anyway all the time. But without > understanding what we are experiencing is the magician's tricks reality > continually plays on us as illusion appears to be reality that we experience > as reality. We are fooled into thinking illusion is reality if we have no > understanding of the nature of forms. > > Not using reason to figure out reality is like trying to use water to start a > fire. Never hatchy! > > First you use reason to figure out how to start a fire. Then you start a > fire.... > > First you use reason to understand the world of forms. Only then can you > experience the true nature of the world of forms. > > That's Zen... > > Edgar > > > > On May 1, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Email wrote: > > > > > My comment is addressed towards Joe's statement that " > > > > Our success as a species does not depend on models. It depends instead on > > real life. > > > > Much of it is genuine engagement with Nature, in Nature, and luck and > > spontaneity, and takes no time to "figure out". > > > > The figure-outers are in the dust, and tend not to pass on their genes. > > > > They'll argue that their way is the superior one, however. Of course > > they'll argue! There's little left for them. > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > >> > >> Gosh, this suggests that reason helps us survive because it accurately > >> models reality! > >> > >> > >> What will Bill say? > >> :-) > >> > >> Edgar > >> > >> > >> > >> On May 1, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Email wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> Figured out how to kill the Mammoth without being killed. Figured out > >>> what was safe to eat without being poisoned. Figured out how to survive. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> On May 1, 2013, at 1:45 PM, "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Hi, William, > >>>> > >>>> OK, I'll bite. > >>>> > >>>> Figured what out? > >>>> > >>>> --Joe > >>>> > >>>> > Email <brintala@> wrote: > >>>> > > >>>> > I disagree. It was the first guy who attacked the Mammoth with a rock > >>>> > who failed to pass on his genes. The fellows who figured it out are > >>>> > our forefathers > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
