What about them? Edgar
On May 2, 2013, at 2:26 AM, Bill! wrote: > Edgar, > > What then of all the sentient beings that are not endowed with the ability to > reason? > > ...Bill! > > --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > In the history of humanity first things had to be figured out using reason. > > Only after learning them can they be done via second nature. > > > > This is another proof that first we must understand reality. Only then can > > it be directly experienced as it actually is. > > > > Of course we all directly experience reality anyway all the time. But > > without understanding what we are experiencing is the magician's tricks > > reality continually plays on us as illusion appears to be reality that we > > experience as reality. We are fooled into thinking illusion is reality if > > we have no understanding of the nature of forms. > > > > Not using reason to figure out reality is like trying to use water to start > > a fire. Never hatchy! > > > > First you use reason to figure out how to start a fire. Then you start a > > fire.... > > > > First you use reason to understand the world of forms. Only then can you > > experience the true nature of the world of forms. > > > > That's Zen... > > > > Edgar > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Email wrote: > > > > > > > > My comment is addressed towards Joe's statement that " > > > > > > Our success as a species does not depend on models. It depends instead on > > > real life. > > > > > > Much of it is genuine engagement with Nature, in Nature, and luck and > > > spontaneity, and takes no time to "figure out". > > > > > > The figure-outers are in the dust, and tend not to pass on their genes. > > > > > > They'll argue that their way is the superior one, however. Of course > > > they'll argue! There's little left for them. > > > > > > --Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 1, 2013, at 2:08 PM, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Gosh, this suggests that reason helps us survive because it accurately > > >> models reality! > > >> > > >> > > >> What will Bill say? > > >> :-) > > >> > > >> Edgar > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On May 1, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Email wrote: > > >> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Figured out how to kill the Mammoth without being killed. Figured out > > >>> what was safe to eat without being poisoned. Figured out how to > > >>> survive. > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>> On May 1, 2013, at 1:45 PM, "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Hi, William, > > >>>> > > >>>> OK, I'll bite. > > >>>> > > >>>> Figured what out? > > >>>> > > >>>> --Joe > > >>>> > > >>>> > Email <brintala@> wrote: > > >>>> > > > >>>> > I disagree. It was the first guy who attacked the Mammoth with a > > >>>> > rock who failed to pass on his genes. The fellows who figured it out > > >>>> > are our forefathers > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
