Bill,

Agreed.

Now I await your disagreement with my agreement!

Edgar



On May 2, 2013, at 2:23 AM, Bill! wrote:

> Edgar,
> 
> Bill would say: hell yes!
> 
> Our (humans) mental models do help us survive.  In fact it is my opinion 
> that's why we have evolved the ability to construct them.
> 
> But, just to keep this forum a little exciting by nit-picking with and 
> pushing-back on Edgar a little I'll include 2 caveats:
> 
> 1.  That doesn't mean they are accurate.  That just means they are useful.  
> All they need to be to be brought forward is that they are better than a 
> random guess.
> 
> 2.  Just because they assist us in surviving doesn't mean they are part and 
> parcel of Buddha Nature nor important in zen practice.
> 
> ...Bill!
> 
> --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
>> 
>> Gosh, this suggests that reason helps us survive because it accurately 
>> models reality!
>> 
>> What will Bill say?
>> :-)
>> 
>> Edgar
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 1, 2013, at 3:06 PM, Email wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Figured out how to kill the Mammoth without being killed. Figured out what 
>>> was safe to eat without being poisoned. Figured out how to survive. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On May 1, 2013, at 1:45 PM, "Joe" <desert_woodworker@...> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, William,
>>>> 
>>>> OK, I'll bite.
>>>> 
>>>> Figured what out?
>>>> 
>>>> --Joe
>>>> 
>>>>> Email <brintala@> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I disagree. It was the first guy who attacked the Mammoth with a rock who 
>>>>> failed to pass on his genes. The fellows who figured it out are our 
>>>>> forefathers
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 



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