Mike,

That's Chinese incense: not Japanese!  ;-)

And definitely not Indian!

I don't know much about Japanese Zen as it is taught and practiced 
authentically , because I have only studied with the American successors of 
Japanese teachers (and sat a bit with Maezumi Roshi, in USA).

But I can tell you there is a certain earthiness and egalitarianism in Chinese 
Ch'an, in teaching situations.  And a very ready and solid presence.  The Ch'an 
teacher does not stay locked-away, in some sort of formal fashion -- that's a 
Japanese accretion, I think -- and is always well aware of what's what with 
anyone.  Some say at times, "TOO aware".  ;-)

Not saying which is better, ...or who has the more congenial incense.  Just 
telling what I know by intimate, and grateful, experience.  Ch'an teaching 
seems to suit many Westerners better than Japanese Zen teaching ways.

Of course, everything's changing in the West.  In a thousand years, there may 
be a genuinely Western, or even Universal, Zen teaching tradition: "Universal", 
if the school does not die out in the East.

--Joe  

> uerusuboyo@... wrote:
>
> Would it be fair to say that Cha'n still retains more of its original Indian 
> Mahayana flavour than Japanese Zen? At least in it's outward expression, if 
> not in its stories. I can almost smell the incense from here! ( meant 
> respectfully).



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