hallo JM..
many thanks for this..
my doubts are such that: every human thought is a mental game...
this "knowledge" as in these links is no more or no less but speculation...
is it true
is it truth?.....
is it the way
it certainly could be a a path
is it the only path
and who will be the teacher
and who will be the student
no matter how much they listen
the human still falls by the wayside
and causes grief and suffering upon others and his or her self
is that not the nature of the beast
born from a single cell
risen from the mud
the original pond
it stumbles to become
becoming an unknown being
becoming nothing
but nothing
as nothing as nothing can be
and nothing we all are and will ever be
merle
Hello Merle,
Reincarnation means our spirit is beginningless and is undying.
Each generation we come to earth with a different body. If you are
interested about this subject, go read these books:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_sc_0_10?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=many+lives+many+masters&sprefix=many+lifes%2Cstripbooks%2C312
Since human beings on earth lives mostly in suffering, we must stop
reincarnation. In other words, liberate our spirit from these
cycles of birth and death. Buddhist call it Dependent Origination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependent_origination
It is just because the world is filled with greed, hatred and
delusions, we need to let our spirit soar to save this world. Only
when our spirit soar above these contamination, we then are able to
have wisdom to fulfill the purpose of our lives, that is to liberate
everyone.
When our spirit is covered by our mind and karmic temptations, then
its original quality such as loving kindness, peace, joy are buried.
Clarity is lost. Actions becomes self serving.
JM
On 5/22/2013 8:19 PM, Merle Lester wrote:
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>i am keen on chan..
>what do you mean by reincarnate?..don't you mean recycle?...
>ashes to ashes dust to dust..hence dust to soup then the cycle begins
>again...?
>this reincarnation "theory" has me bamboozled...
>is it not just another mind game?
>how can you be free with spirit soaring when there is so much suffering in the
>world caused by the greed of others?
>merle
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>Thank you for asking.. Below are my
comments for your reference.. I have read
this article awhile back..
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>Chan by definition is One and ALL. Meaning
it is the absolute dharma applicable to ALL
things - body, mind and spirit. As well as
it can answer every question written in the
sutra and bible. In other words, with a
simplest practice, it can rejuvenate our
body, clear our mind and let our spirit
shine by eliminating all karma. And at the
end of it all, our spirit will stop
reincarnating. We will be in heaven.
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>Most of the Chan teachings by an
unenlightened master, stops at the mind
level, because they don't have the spiritual
power to help people to eliminate their
karma. This article ends at the mind
level. For most of the people, if one can
achieve ego-less, it would already deserve
celebration, because the world will be a
better place. This is what we call "Chan
Living", or everyday Chan. Living by
fulfilling each moment. But you still
reincarnate.
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>Most of the Chan teachings does not cover
the spiritual practice, because it deals
with lights, chi and abstract phenomena.
Yet, once you experience consistent
phenomena with lights and chi, you will know
they are the actual causes of everything.
The world is really run by energy. In other
worlds, the spiritual practice is the
practice dictating our body and mind.
Fundamental Chan practice is a spiritual
practice. If you recall, seven or eight
years ago, when I first join the forum, I
asked, "is there spirituality in Zen?"
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>BTW, how do we know whether a person is
enlightened or not? The proof is in his
dead body. If he dies at his preferred time
without sickness, and there are relics after
he was cremated, then he is enlightened.
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>My Shifu said, "the parents of all my
disciple, even though they do not practice,
they still will have relics when they die."
I have witnessed that every time.
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>In short, I like to suggest to the forum,
instead of using your mind to judge whether
you wanted to try our way of meditation or
not, just try it diligently for six months,
then you shall experience. There is nothing
worth any of us to hang on too, or to hold
them with our life. Chan is taught beyond
words and through transmission.
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>Chan is about direct experience of ALL
things. Using our mind to filter or
discriminate only narrows our scope
resulting in practice with our mind and not
our spirit. Let our spirit soar and be
free.
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>Thank you for the opportunity to share,
>jm
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>>Mike and JMJM,
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>>Mike, Thanks for this link. I pulled up
the article will wait to read it until
JMJM says he thinks it's worthwhile
doing so. I don't want to have 3 or 4
versions of Ch'an rolling around in my
head. The mix we get here on the Zen
Forum about zen is confusion enough, and
I trust JMJM's insight and knowledge on
Ch'an.
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>>JMJM, If you would please read the
article cited below and tell me what you
think of it. It's looks pretty thorough.
It's by Ch'an Master Sheng-yen (1977) if
that helps you make that determination
without reading it.
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>>Thanks...Bill!
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>>--- In Zen_Forum@yahoogroups.com, uerusuboyo@... wrote:
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>>> Joe,<br/><br/>http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhism/C%20-%20Zen/Modern%20Teachers/Sheng%20Yen/What%20is%20Ch%27an/What%20is%20Ch%27an%20-%20Master%20Sheng-yen.htm<br/><br/>Found
>>> this online and thought you might be interested. It was originally written
>>> as a pamphlet to be handed out, but was then lost. Someone found one of
>>> these old pamphlets and thought it was so good it should be shared. Even if
>>> you've read it before.. Enjoy!<br/><br/>Mike<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo!
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