*** Re-Posting for Correction *** Merle,
Yes - waves, cloud formations, staring into a fire - anything chaotic, that is not rational. It allows your mind to disengage from trying to 'make sense' out of the changing forms and can enable you to slip into the experience of Buddha Nature. This is the very same technique as koans. --- In [email protected], Merle Lester <merlewiitpom@...> wrote: > > > >  yes i have often watch the waves... great poem.,...cloud formations are > another wonder...merle > > >  > Siska, > > As you'll soon find out Edgar and I have almost the polar opposite opinion on > just about everything.  In fact he'll probably disagree with this statement > ;>) and will certainly jump all over the rest of this post. > > Rumi's poem/metaphor was: > > I looked for my self, > But my self was gone. > The boundaries of my being > Had disappeared in the sea. > Waves broke.  Awareness rose again. > And a voice returned me to myself. > It always happens like this. > Sea turns on itself and foams, > And with every foaming bit another body. > Another being takes form. > And when the sea sends word, > Each foaming body melts back to ocean-breath. > - Rumi > > I can just imagine Rumi standing on the beach watching the waves form, come > rhythmically in, crash upon the beach and then spend themselves by slipping > back into the sea - losing himself in Buddha Nature and later composing this > poem.  My interpretation of it is: > > I looked for my self, > But my self was gone. > The boundaries of my being > Had disappeared in the sea. > > Rumi is describing the holistic experience of Buddha Nature.  The illusion > of dualism has vanished and his illusion of 'self' as something independent > and apart from everything else has vanished with it.  It has vanished into > sea which is a metaphor for emptiness. > > Waves broke.  Awareness rose again. > And a voice returned me to myself. > It always happens like this. > > Dualism returns.  His holistic experience of Buddha Nature has been > interrupted and his illusion of self has returned.  This alternation between > holism and dualism, between emptiness and self happens regularly, much like > the waves surging rhythmically upon the beach. > > Sea turns on itself and foams, > And with every foaming bit another body. > Another being takes form. > > Now that he is abiding in dualism all otherillusions, perceptions, thoughts, > etc..., of all other (10,000) things appear. > > And when the sea sends word, > Each foaming body melts back to ocean-breath. > > But when he returns again to Buddha Nature all these illusions melt back into > emptiness. > > That's my reading of this anyway.  It will be interesting to see what Edgar > comes up with although I think I could almost write it for him... > > ...Bill! > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > I followed until: "Waves broke". > > > > The rest is a bit confusing. It's as if the 'self' is back. > > > > Siska > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "Bill!" BillSmart@ > > Sender: [email protected] > > Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 10:04:29 > > To: [email protected] > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Subject: [Zen] Nice Quote > > > > > > ..Bill! > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
