Edgar, As long as you agree dualism is an illusion you can call it 'reality' if you wish. I don't agree, but we can let others decide for themselves if illusions are real or not.
...Bill! --- In [email protected], Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote: > > Bill, > > Total agreement as stated. > > Just incorporate what I said yesterday that these forms exist in reality > instead of in your nutty head and you'll have the whole meaning.. > > Edgar > > > > On May 25, 2013, at 3:41 AM, Bill! wrote: > > > > > Siska, > > > > As you'll soon find out Edgar and I have almost the polar opposite opinion > > on just about everything. In fact he'll probably disagree with this > > statement ;>) and will certainly jump all over the rest of this post. > > > > Rumi's poem/metaphor was: > > > > I looked for my self, > > But my self was gone. > > The boundaries of my being > > Had disappeared in the sea. > > Waves broke. Awareness rose again. > > And a voice returned me to myself. > > It always happens like this. > > Sea turns on itself and foams, > > And with every foaming bit another body. > > Another being takes form. > > And when the sea sends word, > > Each foaming body melts back to ocean-breath. > > - Rumi > > > > I can just imagine Rumi standing on the beach watching the waves form, come > > rhythmically in, crash upon the beach and then spend themselves by slipping > > back into the sea - losing himself in Buddha Nature and later composing > > this poem. My interpretation of it is: > > > > I looked for my self, > > But my self was gone. > > The boundaries of my being > > Had disappeared in the sea. > > > > Rumi is describing the holistic experience of Buddha Nature. The illusion > > of dualism has vanished and his illusion of 'self' as something independent > > and apart from everything else has vanished with it. It has vanished into > > sea which is a metaphor for emptiness. > > > > Waves broke. Awareness rose again. > > And a voice returned me to myself. > > It always happens like this. > > > > Dualism returns. His holistic experience of Buddha Nature has been > > interrupted and his illusion of self has returned. This alternation > > between holism and dualism, between emptiness and self happens regularly, > > much like the waves surging rhythmically upon the beach. > > > > Sea turns on itself and foams, > > And with every foaming bit another body. > > Another being takes form. > > > > Now that he is abiding in dualism all other illusions, perceptions, > > thoughts, etc..., of all other (10,000) things appear. > > > > And when the sea sends word, > > Each foaming body melts back to ocean-breath. > > > > But when he returns again to Buddha Nature all these illusions melt back > > into emptiness. > > > > That's my reading of this anyway. It will be interesting to see what Edgar > > comes up with although I think I could almost write it for him... > > > > ...Bill! > > > > --- In [email protected], siska_cen@ wrote: > > > > > > Hi Bill, > > > > > > I followed until: "Waves broke". > > > > > > The rest is a bit confusing. It's as if the 'self' is back. > > > > > > Siska > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: "Bill!" BillSmart@ > > > Sender: [email protected] > > > Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 10:04:29 > > > To: [email protected] > > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [Zen] Nice Quote > > > > > > > > > ..Bill! > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ Current Book Discussion: any Zen book that you recently have read or are reading! Talk about it today!Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Zen_Forum/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [email protected] [email protected] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [email protected] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
