mike..i am re sending JM's post...ponder this and then tell me i don't
understand buddhism...merle
Hi Merle,
What you have expressed here is pure Buddhism. You have described
the "emptiness by nature" of all "forms." They are all true. They
are true suffering as described by Buddha. So why be human again in
our next life. The only way to stop being human again is to cleans
all our karma stored in our subconsciousness.
There is no teacher and no student. We are our own teacher as well
as the only student.
Everything stated in sutra and bible are description of the
phenomena and never the phenomena themselves. Therefore there is no
sense to debate, judge, memorize, agree or disagree with any of the
discussion. Discussion is useful only for satisfying our egotistic
mind.
There is only one way out -- stop thinking, breath, elevate our
spirit. Enhance our spiritual awareness and sensitivity.
Instead of doubt this suggestion, or negate, or debate, which are
all mental blockage, all you have to do, is try it. Don't take my
word for it. Just meditate as i suggested for six month. You shall
witness yourself.
For your reference,
JM
On 5/24/2013 1:45 AM, Merle Lester wrote:
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> hallo JM..
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>many thanks for this..
>my doubts are such that: every human thought is a mental game...
>this "knowledge" as in these links is no more or no less but speculation...
>is it true
> is it truth?.....
>is it the way
> it certainly could be a a path
> is it the only path
> and who will be the teacher
> and who will be the student
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> no matter how much they listen
> the human still falls by the wayside
> and causes grief and suffering upon others and his or her self
> is that not the nature of the beast
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> born from a single cell
> risen from the mud
> the original pond
> it stumbles to become
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>becoming an unknown being
>becoming nothing
> but nothing
> as nothing as nothing can be
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>and nothing we all are and will ever be
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>merle
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>Hello Merle,
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>Reincarnation means our spirit is
beginningless and is undying. Each
generation we come to earth with a different
body. If you are interested about this
subject, go read these books:
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_sc_0_10?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=many+lives+many+masters&sprefix=many+lifes%2Cstripbooks%2C312
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>Since human beings on earth lives mostly in
suffering, we must stop reincarnation. In
other words, liberate our spirit from these
cycles of birth and death. Buddhist call it
Dependent Origination.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependent_origination
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>It is just because the world is filled with
greed, hatred and delusions, we need to let
our spirit soar to save this world. Only
when our spirit soar above these
contamination, we then are able to have
wisdom to fulfill the purpose of our lives,
that is to liberate everyone.
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>When our spirit is covered by our mind and
karmic temptations, then its original
quality such as loving kindness, peace, joy
are buried. Clarity is lost. Actions
becomes self serving.
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>JM
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>> jm...
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>>i am keen on chan..
>>what do you mean by reincarnate?..don't you mean recycle?...
>>ashes to ashes dust to dust..hence dust to soup then the cycle begins
>>again...?
>>this reincarnation "theory" has me bamboozled...
>>is it not just another mind game?
>>how can you be free with spirit soaring when there is so much suffering in
>>the world caused by the greed of others?
>>merle
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>>Hi Bill,
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>>Thank you for asking..
Below are my comments for
your reference.. I have
read this article awhile
back..
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>>Chan by definition is One
and ALL. Meaning it is
the absolute dharma
applicable to ALL things -
body, mind and spirit. As
well as it can answer
every question written in
the sutra and bible. In
other words, with a
simplest practice, it can
rejuvenate our body, clear
our mind and let our
spirit shine by
eliminating all karma.
And at the end of it all,
our spirit will stop
reincarnating. We will be
in heaven.
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>>Most of the Chan teachings
by an unenlightened
master, stops at the mind
level, because they don't
have the spiritual power
to help people to
eliminate their karma.
This article ends at the
mind level. For most of
the people, if one can
achieve ego-less, it would
already deserve
celebration, because the
world will be a better
place. This is what we
call "Chan Living", or
everyday Chan. Living by
fulfilling each moment.
But you still reincarnate.
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>>Most of the Chan teachings
does not cover the
spiritual practice,
because it deals with
lights, chi and abstract
phenomena. Yet, once you
experience consistent
phenomena with lights and
chi, you will know they
are the actual causes of
everything. The world is
really run by energy. In
other worlds, the
spiritual practice is the
practice dictating our
body and mind.
Fundamental Chan practice
is a spiritual practice.
If you recall, seven or
eight years ago, when I
first join the forum, I
asked, "is there
spirituality in Zen?"
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>>BTW, how do we know
whether a person is
enlightened or not? The
proof is in his dead
body. If he dies at his
preferred time without
sickness, and there are
relics after he was
cremated, then he is
enlightened.
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>>My Shifu said, "the
parents of all my
disciple, even though they
do not practice, they
still will have relics
when they die." I have
witnessed that every time.
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>>In short, I like to
suggest to the forum,
instead of using your mind
to judge whether you
wanted to try our way of
meditation or not, just
try it diligently for six
months, then you shall
experience. There is
nothing worth any of us to
hang on too, or to hold
them with our life. Chan
is taught beyond words and
through transmission.
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>>Chan is about direct
experience of ALL things.
Using our mind to filter
or discriminate only
narrows our scope
resulting in practice with
our mind and not our
spirit. Let our spirit
soar and be free.
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>>Thank you for the
opportunity to share,
>>jm
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>>On 5/22/2013 1:19 AM, Bill! wrote:
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>>>Mike and JMJM,
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>>>Mike, Thanks for this
link. I pulled up the
article will wait to
read it until JMJM
says he thinks it's
worthwhile doing so. I
don't want to have 3
or 4 versions of Ch'an
rolling around in my
head. The mix we get
here on the Zen Forum
about zen is confusion
enough, and I trust
JMJM's insight and
knowledge on Ch'an.
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>>>JMJM, If you would
please read the
article cited below
and tell me what you
think of it. It's
looks pretty thorough.
It's by Ch'an Master
Sheng-yen (1977) if
that helps you make
that determination
without reading it.
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>>>Thanks...Bill!
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>>>--- In [email protected], uerusuboyo@... wrote:
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Joe,<br/><br/>http://www.abuddhistlibrary.com/Buddhism/C%20-%20Zen/Modern%20Teachers/Sheng%20Yen/What%20is%20Ch%27an/What%20is%20Ch%27an%20-%20Master%20Sheng-yen.htm<br/><br/>Found
this online and thought you might be interested. It was originally written as
a pamphlet to be handed out, but was then lost. Someone found one of these old
pamphlets and thought it was so good it should be shared. Even if you've read
it before.. Enjoy!<br/><br/>Mike<br/><br/><br/>Sent from Yahoo! Mail for iPad
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