Thank you Alex,
i am still troubled about the nature of 'boundaries' & the root of our cravings/suffering... --- In [email protected], Alex Bunard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm afraid you are confusing emptiness with > formlessness, i think this may be correct. it is certainly true that 'emptiness' is problematic for me. > Emptiness, on the other hand, is the exact opposite of > the form/formless combo. Emptiness not only means > absence of any attributes attributable to a form, but > also absence of any attributes attributable to an > absence of form (i.e.formless). That's why it's > emptiness -- it is empty not only of attributes, but > also of any essence, any substance. > but i have trouble with this view of emptiness. this sounds to me too much like a denial of 'existance' - but my sense is that emptiness has more to do with 'putting down' what we 'project onto' existance. sort of like your story of the farmer - emptiness seems to refer to the lack of <farmer/man/direction-giver> as simply an illusion. this doesn't mean that there was no 'substance' there - simply that a conditioned view 'wrapped that substance' with an illusory context. > Same as the farmer in the above example wasn't really > there (he was merely imagined), the 'form is > emptiness, emptiness is form' teaches that anything > that we may discern is equally not there. It is merely > ascribed, erroneously imputed. All the 'objects', > 'forms', 'formless stuff', 'concepts', everything. this is useful to me to the extent that 'the object of our discernment' is not there. but this becomes problematic for me if you try to take it past the 'discernment' into the 'substance' that that conditioned view is being projected onto. i am resistant to the idea that practice would be about a denial of existence... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Would you Help a Child in need? It is easier than you think. Click Here to meet a Child you can help. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0Z9NuA/I_qJAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
