On Apr 17, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Rod Scholl wrote:
> So what is this "only don't know" stuff? > > Lol! Is that a clever joke? I think you've written a good koan: > > The student asks, "what is this only-don't-know stuff?" > The master replies, "you have written me a letter, asking where you can > learn to write. In your next letter describe to me the taste of an > orange. Very illuminating, Rod. I would be happy to take credit for the koan, but I think koans would better come from someone who understands - like the master posing something for the student to ponder - why they themselves replied in such a curious manner. This is not to say that all teachers understand what and why they say things, but the conundrum is usually a pointed stick in the eye of the students dilemma, not a blundering into something. Maybe your addition adds something to the state of knowing/ knowing you know/ knowing you don't know/ not knowing what you know simultaneous state of perceiving. As to the Rev. Fujita, I suspect that his 'only-don't-know' is rather a difficulty translating a concept into English. Like Dogen's letters, they speak to a previous criticism or errant school of Zen pertinent to his time, but puzzling to us today. In the essay he says: > "In in most other meditation practice, the issues involved take place > within the sphere of knowing and from beginning to end, these methods > focus on this sphere. and > This beyond-knowing is what the "only don't know" advocates are > pointing > to. So I think my question is unanswered, and I think he is addressing some question or criticism of which his audience, not us, is aware. So the other practices... I'm asking... What are these 'most other meditation practices' ? and what is this in-opposition school of 'only-don't-know' he refers to? Why doesn't he just say "Yoga" and "Zen" for instance? Is that what he means here? There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in. __________<http://home.golden.net/~samu>__________ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Would you Help a Child in need? It is easier than you think. Click Here to meet a Child you can help. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0Z9NuA/I_qJAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Noble Eightfold Path: Right View, Right Intention, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness, Right Concentration, Right Livelihood Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
