>Replying to your post (in which you wrote: "Insight meaning, "clearly seeing >that all five aggregates are empty", as the Heart Sutra begins."), >I've asked you what are the aggregates empty of. You've replied that >they are empty of, and I quote: > >"Empty of self, empty of permanence, empty of ultimate >satisfaction.(anatta, anicca, dukkha, respectively)." > > >From the above I gather that you meant that the aggregates are empty >of, among other things, dukkha. With that I wholeheartedly agree, not >only in the sense that I wholeheartedly agree with Heart Sutra, but >also that I agree with your interpretation of that sutra.
I think my original statement was a bit confusing. I meant that the aggregates ARE anatta, they ARE anicca, and ARE dukkha. "Anatta" means, "not self". Anicca is "not permanent" And dukkha means "not satisfactory (or, suffering)" Therefore, the aggregates are not self, they are not permanent, they are not satisfactory. Then to answer the question, what are the aggregates empty of, is to say, they are empty of self, empty of permanence, empty of satisfaction. The characteristics of self, permanence or "ultimate satisfaction," using my term, are not found anywhere in the aggregates. >The point of contention here is only your translation of the word >dukkha. You chose to translate it as 'ultimate satisfaction'. I meant to translate dukkha as "*not* ultimately satisfactory" > That >caught me by surprise, because I've never heard anyone use that >translation. All the sources I'm aware of insist that dukkha means the >exact opposite -- ultimate dissatisfaction. > >So I was just curious about your line of reasoning. Thanks for >ellucidating on it. You're welcome. Hopefully I stated things more clearly this time. Ian ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> What would our lives be like without music, dance, and theater? Donate or volunteer in the arts today at Network for Good! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WwRTUD/SOnJAA/i1hLAA/S27xlB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Current Book Discussion: Appreciate Your Life by Taizan Maezumi Roshi. New or used at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1570622280/ref=ase_actionheroesc-20/002-4507763-9442460?v=glance&s=books> Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ZenForum/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
