On 4/27/05, Ian Johanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The Sutra does not say "dukkha is not found in the aggregates." > > It says "the aggregates are empty" > > It also says "no aggregates" - "no form, no sensation, perception, mental > reaction, consciousness" > > You asked me "empty of what?" > > Instead of trying to translate into normal Dharma language, which says > "the aggregates ARE anatta, they ARE anicca, they ARE dukkha" > > I should have said, to let the Heart Sutra speak on it own terms, "all > things are essentially empty-- not born, not destroyed; not stained, not > pure; without loss, without gain." > > This however, conflicts with normal Dharma language, which says "when this > is, that is. when this ceases, that ceases." There is birth, old age, > sickness, and death. The Heart Sutra, on the other hand, says "no old age > and death, and also no ending of old age and death" > > The Heart Sutra is therefore outside of normal Dharma language. It is an > expression of enlightenment. > > This is not the first time that referencing the Heart Sutra has gotten me > into trouble. :) Good stuff, thanks for bringing it up!
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