And these are wars of expansion how, exactly? Utah taking over Colorado with the
Lord's angels at the head of legions of BYU sophomores?

Johnson's Army was a long time ago. We are not beset by the kind of situation that
the Israelites were.

Steven Montgomery wrote:

> While I agree with you regarding righteous wars, I don't necessarily agree
> with your statement that "Zion doesn't expand through warfare
> anymore."  For instance, why has the Lord repeatedly stated that, after we
> have done our part, He would fight our battles.
>
> --
> Steven Montgomery
>
> At 07:41 PM 10/14/2002, you wrote:
> >The law is the same: a war is righteous if the Lord commands it (this is
> >in the
> >BoM, the D&C and in numerous 1P statements). But since the meridian of
> >time there
> >have been few, if any, such commandments. Zion doesn't expand through warfare
> >anymore. That's what's meant by fulfilling the law. You don't overthrow
> >it. This
> >objection (below) is similar to the reaction the Pharisees had to Jesus's
> >claims
> >(nothing personal against Steven).
> >
> >Steven Montgomery wrote:
> >
> > > So, when the LORD declared unto Joshua that he had delivered the Amorites
> > > into his hand or when the LORD himself cast down "great stones from heaven"
> > > to slay the Amorites this was somehow fulfilling a lesser law? I fail to
> > > understand how the Israelites were somehow keeping a lesser law when God
> > > himself commanded them to slay the wicked and who occasionally (when the
> > > Israelites were righteous) fought their battles.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Steven Montgomery
> > >
> > > At 01:07 PM 10/14/2002, you wrote:
> > > >And Christ came to fulfill the OT law and offer a higher law. (IOW, use
> > > >the term
> > > >"Bible" less categorically and I think you'll see a stark contrast between
> > > >OT and
> > > >NT ideas).
> > > >
> > > >Jon Spencer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > John W. Redelfs wrote:
> > > > > > Actually, the only time the Nephites went on a search and destroy
> > > > mission,
> > > > > > following the Gadiantons up into the mountains, they were soundly
> > > > defeated
> > > > > > and had to withdraw.  The Book of Mormon is the story of national
> > > > DEFENSE,
> > > > > > not offense.  --JWR
> > > > >
> > > > > Your offense is my defense.
> > > > >
> > > > > And in the Bible, also God's word, there were many offensive
> > defenses put
> > > > > up.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >Marc A. Schindler
> > > >Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
> > > >
> > > >"The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too
> > high and
> > > >falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark."
> > > >--Michelangelo Buonarroti
> > > >
> > > >Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the
> > author
> > > >solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the author's
> > > >employer,
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> > >
> > > --
> > > Steven Montgomery
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> >
> >--
> >Marc A. Schindler
> >Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
> >
> >"The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and
> >falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark."
> >--Michelangelo Buonarroti
> >
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> Steven Montgomery
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Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland

"The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling
short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark."
--Michelangelo Buonarroti

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solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authorís employer, nor
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