Hi, the points I snipped I agree with and/or have no new input for.
On Wednesday 21 April 2004 05:36, Andreas Jung wrote: > The reasons for this situation from my prospective: > > - Lots of Z2 people are working now on Plone projects. Plone currently > attracts more people > because the important and interesting projects are done there. Paul > Everits goal to grow > Zope by 10 times might happen through Plone, not through Zope itself Yes. Note that there are plans emerging for Plone 3 for Zope 3. I hope that we will be able to redirect some of the development power of Plone towards Zope with Plone 3. And I think that will be possible. Zope 2 has too many abstraction layers: Zope --> CMF --> Plone, CPS, ... That means that if I develop a product for Zope, it cannot be automatically used in CMF/Plone optimally anymore. With Zope 3 we will get a fresh start on this. > - The Z2 development is badly managed. The 2.7 release has been delayed > for one year or so. Yes, I hope we will be able to manage releases in the community for Zope 3. Jim encouraged this by asking me to do the current Zope 3 releases (so I hope I will be able to give away this responsibility to someone else, when the Zope 3 community grows -- it will need someone who is constantly involved in the real world and sees the needs for releases clearer than I do). > - ZC is currently the bottleneck for Z2. As stated before, I think that can be changed, if enough interest is shown in the community. But I think the Zope community lacks strong leaders; too many people are only interested in making money with it without realizing that their future depends on the general success and development of Zope. > Maiks words: Z3 is > attractive as an academic project to try out things and concepts but it > does not attract people > in the current stage...maybe in two years from now but currently most > people are attracted > by working and usable solutions like Plone. And that in itself is the problem. Making money is most important, securing the future is second. People don't care about the latter. :-( > - The zope.org community site is a mess. Lots of outstanding problems are > not fixed, the performance > of the site is more than poor (it takes ages to login, it takes ages to > load pages), > usability (e.g. when you perform a software release) is bad. Nobody is willing to contribute. ZC agreed to change zope.org to Plone so more community members can contribute. But noone has stepped up; that's very sad. Regards, Stephan -- Stephan Richter CBU Physics & Chemistry (B.S.) / Tufts Physics (Ph.D. student) Web2k - Web Software Design, Development and Training _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
