Benji York wrote: > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Shane Hathaway <sh...@hathawaymix.org> wrote: >> Martijn Faassen wrote: >>> If we don't call Zope Framework "4.0", we'll be fine. We should call its >>> first release 1.0 and there's no implication of a progression. >> +1 on calling it Zope Framework 1.0. We need the people who have been >> burned by past Zope releases to take another look, because we believe >> Zope is finally getting simpler. Those people would assume >> Zope-anything 4.0 is just piling on more complexity, while a version 1.0 >> release would invalidate that assumption and suggest they take another look. > > Maybe I'm dense, but from the description of the Zope Framework (from > http://docs.zope.org/zopeframework/about/index.html) as "a collection of > libraries managed by the Zope developers," I can't imagine a non-Zope > person being interested at all. > > As far as I can tell, the Zope Framework is a project management > structure, not something outsiders would be interested in.
That's good point. I think we've been mixing up the two concepts in the discussions. My position: * right now the Zope Framework is indeed a concept used primarily for project management purposes. The documentation is not geared towards outsiders. * I think we could extend the documentation with some information useful for outsiders. It would take a better introduction in that document and some pointers to where to find out more documentation about the individual libraries. I think we should do this. There are good reasons to present the Zope Framework to the outside world (certainly where we want to attract new developers to Zope 2, Zope 3 or Grok): * non-zope developers would be most interested in the individual libraries. If they want to contribute they'd need to find out how that is done, and this is documented there. * it's the common foundation to these projects. We can therefore show where our community has some measure of unity. * much of our community's development efforts are invested into this stuff! We should talk about what we actually spend a lot of our time doing and talking about. Regards, Martijn _______________________________________________ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )