Am Samstag 11 April 2009 15:05:31 schrieb Hanno Schlichting:
> Roger Ineichen wrote:
> >> Betreff: [Zope-dev] who wants to maintain Zope 3?
> >> Is anyone interested in maintaining Zope 3?
> /me is certainly not
> >> With Zope 3 I mean:
> >
> > I think we should take a look if we can build a minimal
> > setup which Plone, Grok and other projects can use. Do you think
> > there could be such a based configuration? Or is there to much
> > difference in each of Plone, Grok, repoze etc?
> The "minimal setup" is called Zope Toolkit. None of the mentioned
> projects is interested in any of the Zope 3 packages, except where those
> are still tied into the whole.
> >> If nobody is interested, we should perhaps stop talking about
> >> it entirely. If people are just interested in the ZMI,
> >> perhaps we should form a ZMI project.
> +1, to declaring Zope 3 dead. That should allow us to refactor the
> remaining packages much more aggressively and reduce the dependencies.

-1 from my standpoint. Two of my projects are fully based on the Zope 3 
server, and switching to something else would be quite some pain.

I personally find it interesting that people are that fast with turning around 
and killing off things. I personally based my decision for Zope 3 on Philipps 
book ("Web Compontent Development with Zope 3"), whereas the latest edition 
came out just 1 year ago. I adapted the concepts in this book to my needs 
(e.g. by using z3c-based packages) and it's now a viable way for me and my 

I understand that people like Zope 2 for historical reasons and Grok for it's 
simplicity, but I would really wonder that there's no target audience for 
various ideas/patterns in Zope 3 (security model, ZCML...).

I personally heard that repoze.bfg may be the way to go, however, I'm very 
much in doubt even considering switching, as I wouldn't want to hear 1 year 
later "Let's kill off repoze.bfg".

Moreover, I expect that there are many people like me, who started with Zope 3 
with Philipp's book, so, would we really want to - ummm - "declare them 

If we do so, to my mind there has to be some migration path to something else, 
may it be Repoze, or whatever. But just killing off Zope 3 is like 
saying "Sorry guys, you just chose the wrong technology."

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