Seems Ben Forta has something to say about this thread....
http://www.forta.com/blog/index.cfm?mode=entry&entry=C7F3A45C-3048-80A9-EF3C7DA746A45DCE
Precia
On 11/8/06, Teddy Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I would like to vote Sterling for ColdFusion evangelist.
Also, I think it is poor tact to comment in a ColdFusion mailing list that
ColdFusion is some sort of toy ball that is being passed around.
Eeach company that has purchased ColdFusion has pushed the product further.
Allaire/Macromedia/Adobe all value the product and that is why it still
exists.
Plus, why was ColdFusion even entered into the argument when the article was
about ActionScript? There are projects to integrate Flex with PHP, CF and
.Net.
At Adobe MAX, there were .Net sessions on how to integrate with Adobe
product lines.
Adobe is not trying to seperate, there are trying to integrate. I know this
for a fact.
Teddy
On 11/8/06, Sterling Ledet < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> With all due respect, Adam, I think that is the most ridiculous comment
I've ever heard you make in public. Have you been drinking?
>
> If Adobe ever washes its hands of ColdFusion, I hereby publicly pledge to
buy you and your family dinner at the most expensive restaurant you can find
in Atlanta. You mention relatively soon, how about we bet dinner that it
doesn't happen within 3 years. If by Christmas, 2009 ColdFusion Enterprise
is not released as open source and Adobe has clearly not washed their hands
of it, then you owe me and my family dinner? My offer stands, whether or not
you accept the bet.
>
> Here's three points I'd like to make.
>
> 1) Adobe is not going to wash their hands of ColdFusion. Do you think they
are going to wash their hands of Acrobat as well? Do you know how much money
they've been losing on the high-end, Java base LiveCycle product lines for
years, yet Bruce Chizen just moved that group to brand new, state of the art
digs reinvesting even more into that effort. Acrobat itself was a money
loser for half a decade before it became the most lucrative product line in
Adobe's portfolio, surpassing PostScript and Photoshop. Adobe is used to
making long-term investments, and the purchase of Macromedia/Allaire/eHelp
by them is one of the best things that could have happened for tech junkies
like me. Even eHelp products are seeing renewed investment, which even
surprised me a bit. ColdFusion is so core to what Adobe is doing that any
doubt about it's future is so clearly misdirected as to be humorous.
>
> 2) Adobe does not kill products, especially not core technology like
ColdFusion. I even heard rumors that there is relevant code from LiveMotion
(an early Flash competitor that Adobe extensible killed long ago, for those
of you who haven't heard of it) that they can now roll into Flash. Adobe
plays long-term chess games strategically. This was a strategic move. Not
one made out of desperation. I have no idea why you would position it as
such, but it is a most absurd deduction.
>
> 3) While you are certainly entitled to your opinion that Microsoft's
XAML-based offerings are somehow competitive with Flex (and I doubt most of
your peers would agree that Eclipse is a unwieldy cobbled together
tinkertoy), the facts remain that Microsoft's approach remains one of
adopting standards in a way that consistently (and many believe,
intentionally) breaks competing technology platforms. They've repeatedly
done so with Flash, you can't easily connect to Microsoft WSDL's using
standard web service technologies (ever try to hook up ColdFusion of FRS to
MS-CRM?), and the open sourcedeveloper community is a key target audience
for Flex.
>
> In summary, by integrating the core Actionscript classes into the core
Javascript standard, Adobe is making a major play on continuing to be the
driving force behind standards. It's going to make development for Flex
easier over the long haul. It was a brilliant move, not a desperate one.
>
> Seriously, with no disrespect intended,
>
> Sterling Ledet
>
>
>
> ________________________________
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam Churvis
> Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 10:38 PM
> To: discussion@acfug.org
> Subject: Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Adobe Donating Flash Scripting Engine to
Mozilla
>
>
>
> Among other things, it means that when the time comes (relatively soon),
Adobe will most likely wash their hands clean of ColdFusion via the open
source route as well, rather than by trying to dump it on another company.
>
> But it most likely also signifies that Adobe realizes its Flash-centric
development model and tools cannot keep pace with Microsoft's XAML-based
offerings. When you compare the two, Flash-based development looks like an
unwieldy cobbled together tinkertoy. And there just isn't enough Adobe
funding available to change that in any significant way, so they "give it up
to the people" and let them join in for free.
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Adam Phillip Churvis
> Certified Advanced ColdFusion MX 7 Developer
> BlueDragon Alliance Founding Committee
>
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