I'm witnessing much "projection" from people reading things "into" statements that in fact, both grammatically, literally, explicitly and imiplicitly are not being made by the people the misreaders are accusing of. As meditators, more mature objectivization is a consequence of sincerity in meditation, the mind taking the shape of more truthful dispositions and perspectives.
Of all that anyone leading or teaching has to convey, the most valuable thing to cultivate and convey to others is *a moral conscience*. Only such persons deserve to lead others , in any capacity. *Anything less is a menace to society*. On 10/15/07, feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You must be very naive. The reason this poster is making such > statements is to imply that TM people think like Nazis and are members > of a proto-Nazi movement that has the potential to do much harm. It > doesn't seem to bother her that she lives in this town and is > slandering her friends and neighbors. She even says she loves living > here, which of course gives the lie to her entire argument. She may > know a lot and be very clever, but she has neither judgment nor wisdom > and would be better off taking her poison elsewhere. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You > Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > A manifestation similar to other manifestations during the pre-Nazi > and Nazi > > era -- not necessarily cocreators, simply there concurrently. > > > > Is that clear? > > > > *I want every person to be complete in themselves. Your himsa has no > > placein my > > mission.* > > > > > > On 10/15/07, feste37 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > So the implication is that MMY, like the Nazis, has prepared his > > > people "to be nonchalant about mass murder by instilling New Age > > > principles in them in advance of the violence." Any shred of evidence > > > to support this preposterous notion? > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bronte Baxter > > > <brontebaxter8@> wrote: > > > > > > > > His point, Angela, seems to be that your paralleling the TMO and > > > Nazi Germany is not to be taken seriously because, unlike the Nazis, > > > the movement has never committed violence. True. However, fiesty > > > Feste, Angela did already address this fact in her first or second > > > post on the subject. She said the Third Reich prepared its people to > > > be nonchalant about mass murder by instilling New Age principles in > > > them in advance of the violence. So the fact that violence has not yet > > > erupted in the current situation could mean we're not yet at that > stage. > > > > > > > > I believe, though, Angela, that Maharishi's movement can't be > > > singled out for instilling in our culture ideas that are damaging to > > > individual responsibility, discriminating thought, and the integrity > > > of the individual ego. The same attitude is coming from all > > > directions, not just TM. We're finding it in Buddhism (as it's usually > > > taught in the West), Eckart Tolle, certainly in Byron Katie, and very > > > strongly in the Neo-Advaitin gurus. The good parts of Eastern > > > philosophy that I glommed onto as a girl have pretty much been > > > forgotten and taken over by what is either distortions of the original > > > teachings or -- maybe the insidiousness was there all along and I was > > > too young to see it. MMY's movement is becoming scary with the rajas > > > stuff and is setting itself up in a way that could turn militant. As > > > such it stands out as particularly suspect. But I believe something > > > deeper is afoot, which all these "spiritual" movements are serving in > > > concert with each other. > > > > > > > > - Bronte > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Angela Mailander <mailander111@> wrote: > > > > Your first question misses my point so completely, I'm at > > > a loss as to how to respond. And no, it's not hard to live in this > > > town. I chose it and love it here. a > > > > > > > > feste37 <feste37@> wrote: How many Jews has Maharishi > > > murdered? How many death camps has he set up? > > > > > > > > It must be hard for you living in this town, surrounded by a > movement > > > > that resembles the Nazis so closely. > > > > > > > > It seems to me that your mind is so distorted, heaven knows by what, > > > > that you cannot make clear distinctions between things. > > > > > > > > But welcome to this board. You truly belong here. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander > > > > <mailander111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have no idea what you mean when you say, "And are these same > ideas > > > > being cloned onto splinter satsang groups?" As for your other > > > > question, "Are there significant parallels between the Third > Reich and > > > > Mahesh's spiritual movement, I'd say definitely there are. Name any > > > > article of faith you find repeated in this town, name any of the > often > > > > repeated quotes of things Mahesh is supposed to have said, and > it was > > > > repeated and believed in Nazi Germany. They didn't call it > > > > enlightenment, but they were all striving to be the Ubermensch. It > > > > meant basically the same thing. Devotion to the Guru was important, > > > > and the Guru, for the SS, was Hitler. They thought of themselves as > > > > pure warriors monks. They could get married, of course, but they had > > > > to have permission from on high, and the girl had to pass muster. > > > > Purity of the nervous system was purity of the blood. They > believed in > > > > karma, and in performing action established in Being. They believed > > > > in detachment and they believed > > > > > in higher states of consciousness. They had nine of them. Gotta > > > > run. a > > > > > > > > > > Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 14, 2007, at 6:06 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yes, I totally agree. Hitler was used by those who still want to > > > > establish the New World Order. In fact, he was told in those exact > > > > terms, New World Order, that he would be "instrumental" in > > > > establishing it. He wasn't told that he'd only be a step along the > > > > way, though. He believed he was to be the big enchilada---the > > > > thousand-year Reich was to be sat-yuga. The antisemitism was not > real > > > > in the same sense that the terrorists we're all afraid of today are > > > > not real. Hitler needed a single enemy to focus the people's > attention > > > > on. There is even some evidence that Jews supplied him with the > > > > notion that they could be that single enemy. It's not conclusive > > > > evidence, but certainly the Warburgs were involved in it, in > spite of > > > > the fact that Paul Warburg lost two close relatives in the death > > > > camps. a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are there really significant parallels between the Third Reich and > > > > Mahesh "yogis" spiritual movement though? And are these same ideas > > > > being cloned onto splinter satsang groups? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rick posted a very interesting link to a video which purported > to be > > > > by an ex-KGB agent which claimed groups like the KGB were observing > > > > the TMO for ideas in undermining nations. >
