Must be heavily subsidized? On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:03 AM Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, a correction. I paid US$ 15 (not 150) for consuming 3,600 units. > > > Sarbajit Roy > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:31 PM Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Bruno >> >> Smart meters were mandated in New Delhi India in 2008 onwards and we had >> the same sort of consumer experience with bills shooting up due to these >> then "made in China" meters and there was tremendous consumer anger. >> >> 2 important changes were made for domestic consumers - a) Billing would >> be on the basis of Kw-hr (resistive) and not on the basis of KVA-hr >> (reactive). and b) The neutral wiring and meter connection would be through >> a bus-bar system only (no looping of neutrals) and ELCBs were >> made mandatory for preventing earth leakages. That greatly sorted out the >> problem. >> >> I believe the meter design was also changed to ensure that the Hall >> sensors were inserted into the phase as well as neutral lines. >> >> Here are some links. >> >> https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Public%20bulletin-5.pdf >> >> >> https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/TechnicalspecificationforMeters_0.pdf >> >> https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-Regulations.pdf >> (for Page 16 of 80) >> >> Just for your information, In the past 1 year I have paid a grand total >> of about US$ 150 in electricity bills for an annual consumption of about >> 3,600 Kw-Hr (3,600 units). >> >> Sarbajit Roy >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:02 AM _ Bruno W <wbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> I'm hoping some Friam member who knows a little about how an electric >>> meter works will be interested >>> enough to get this addressed BEFORE PNM spends $ 300+ million giving us >>> all new meters. >>> >>> If interested I can send the full paper abstracted here: >>> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8077940 >>> There is also a thesis from the same group that gives more info.... >>> >>> The paper makes clear that one of the preferred technologies in electric >>> meters (the Rogowski coil) >>> can go haywire when nonlinear loads are present. The smart meters gave >>> readings up to 500% higher >>> than the actual usage. The meters PNM has proposed for its entire >>> territory is the Itron "Gen5" Riva, >>> which has been deployed in the last 2 years in Denver and parts of >>> Texas. Sure enough, some customers' >>> bill have gone way up (3 or 4-fold in one news report), and they have >>> little recourse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpOhTXV59pI&t=20s >>> >>> I intervened in this PRC proceeding last year, and may be able to get >>> this info onto the record, and try to >>> get the PRC to require better testing on nonlinear loads. But I need >>> someone with some relevant expertise >>> (can be education or experience) to explain the published findings and >>> their implications to the PRC in an affidavit by March. >>> This person would then answer questions from the PRC and possibly PNM >>> via zoom in a short hearing in late April or May. >>> >>> I have several reasons for not wanting to see PNM make this huge >>> investment (and by law they are entitled to a nice >>> rate of return paid by us, the customers) in a very messed-up >>> technology. Probably most of us in this group >>> don't sweat much about our electric bills (actually maybe if ours >>> quadrupled, we would), but for low-income families, this is >>> potentially very cruel, since the cost of the meters will be charged >>> with interest regardless of usage, and energy-saving >>> appliances typically have nonlinear load usages). >>> >>> I hope to be at the St. John's gathering Friday am, but feel free to >>> reply or contact me directly if interested in this. >>> >>> >>> --William J. Bruno, Ph.D. >>> wbr...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >>> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: 5/2017 thru present >>> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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