A bit outdated In 2024, India has 57% from fossil fuels and 43% from renewable sources. Coal usage is 49% in India compared to 61% for China (as per Statista) FYI: The USA has 60% electricity generation from fossil fuels.
https://powermin.gov.in/en/content/power-sector-glance-all-india https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php On Wed, Feb 14, 2024 at 2:23 AM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > Not great! > > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Sarbajit Roy > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 13, 2024 11:13 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Some brands of digital electric meters wildly > inaccurate on nonlinear loads, and NM may get them soon! > > > > All households in Delhi get 200 free units per month per meter, and > the next 200 units at 50%. > We have 2 meters (1 for lighting and 1 for power), so 400 free units and > 400 more at half price. > This winter was a bit colder than usual so I exceeded the free allowance > in December on my power meter. and had to pay $15. > It also helps that our Govt was pragmatic and kept buying cheap oil from > Russia. > > > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 11:51 PM Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com> > wrote: > > Must be heavily subsidized? > > > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:03 AM Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Sorry, a correction. I paid US$ 15 (not 150) for consuming 3,600 units. > > > > Sarbajit Roy > > > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:31 PM Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Bruno > > Smart meters were mandated in New Delhi India in 2008 onwards and we had > the same sort of consumer experience with bills shooting up due to these > then "made in China" meters and there was tremendous consumer anger. > > 2 important changes were made for domestic consumers - a) Billing would be > on the basis of Kw-hr (resistive) and not on the basis of KVA-hr > (reactive). and b) The neutral wiring and meter connection would be through > a bus-bar system only (no looping of neutrals) and ELCBs were > made mandatory for preventing earth leakages. That greatly sorted out the > problem. > > I believe the meter design was also changed to ensure that the Hall > sensors were inserted into the phase as well as neutral lines. > > Here are some links. > > https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Public%20bulletin-5.pdf > > > https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/TechnicalspecificationforMeters_0.pdf > > https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-Regulations.pdf > (for Page 16 of 80) > > Just for your information, In the past 1 year I have paid a grand total of > about US$ 150 in electricity bills for an annual consumption of about 3,600 > Kw-Hr (3,600 units). > > Sarbajit Roy > > > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:02 AM _ Bruno W <wbr...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I'm hoping some Friam member who knows a little about how an electric > meter works will be interested > > enough to get this addressed BEFORE PNM spends $ 300+ million giving us > all new meters. > > > > If interested I can send the full paper abstracted here: > https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8077940 > > There is also a thesis from the same group that gives more info.... > > > > The paper makes clear that one of the preferred technologies in electric > meters (the Rogowski coil) > > can go haywire when nonlinear loads are present. The smart meters gave > readings up to 500% higher > > than the actual usage. The meters PNM has proposed for its entire > territory is the Itron "Gen5" Riva, > > which has been deployed in the last 2 years in Denver and parts of Texas. > Sure enough, some customers' > > bill have gone way up (3 or 4-fold in one news report), and they have > little recourse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpOhTXV59pI&t=20s > > > > I intervened in this PRC proceeding last year, and may be able to get this > info onto the record, and try to > > get the PRC to require better testing on nonlinear loads. But I need > someone with some relevant expertise > > (can be education or experience) to explain the published findings and > their implications to the PRC in an affidavit by March. > > This person would then answer questions from the PRC and possibly PNM via > zoom in a short hearing in late April or May. > > > > I have several reasons for not wanting to see PNM make this huge > investment (and by law they are entitled to a nice > > rate of return paid by us, the customers) in a very messed-up technology. > Probably most of us in this group > > don't sweat much about our electric bills (actually maybe if ours > quadrupled, we would), but for low-income families, this is > > potentially very cruel, since the cost of the meters will be charged with > interest regardless of usage, and energy-saving > > appliances typically have nonlinear load usages). > > > > I hope to be at the St. John's gathering Friday am, but feel free to reply > or contact me directly if interested in this. > > > > > > --William J. 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