All households in Delhi get 200 free units per month per meter, and the next 200 units at 50%. We have 2 meters (1 for lighting and 1 for power), so 400 free units and 400 more at half price. This winter was a bit colder than usual so I exceeded the free allowance in December on my power meter. and had to pay $15. It also helps that our Govt was pragmatic and kept buying cheap oil from Russia.
On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 11:51 PM Gary Schiltz <g...@naturesvisualarts.com> wrote: > Must be heavily subsidized? > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:03 AM Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sorry, a correction. I paid US$ 15 (not 150) for consuming 3,600 units. >> >> >> Sarbajit Roy >> >> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:31 PM Sarbajit Roy <sroy...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Bruno >>> >>> Smart meters were mandated in New Delhi India in 2008 onwards and we had >>> the same sort of consumer experience with bills shooting up due to these >>> then "made in China" meters and there was tremendous consumer anger. >>> >>> 2 important changes were made for domestic consumers - a) Billing would >>> be on the basis of Kw-hr (resistive) and not on the basis of KVA-hr >>> (reactive). and b) The neutral wiring and meter connection would be through >>> a bus-bar system only (no looping of neutrals) and ELCBs were >>> made mandatory for preventing earth leakages. That greatly sorted out the >>> problem. >>> >>> I believe the meter design was also changed to ensure that the Hall >>> sensors were inserted into the phase as well as neutral lines. >>> >>> Here are some links. >>> >>> https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Public%20bulletin-5.pdf >>> >>> >>> https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/TechnicalspecificationforMeters_0.pdf >>> >>> https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-Regulations.pdf >>> (for Page 16 of 80) >>> >>> Just for your information, In the past 1 year I have paid a grand total >>> of about US$ 150 in electricity bills for an annual consumption of about >>> 3,600 Kw-Hr (3,600 units). >>> >>> Sarbajit Roy >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:02 AM _ Bruno W <wbr...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I'm hoping some Friam member who knows a little about how an electric >>>> meter works will be interested >>>> enough to get this addressed BEFORE PNM spends $ 300+ million giving us >>>> all new meters. >>>> >>>> If interested I can send the full paper abstracted here: >>>> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8077940 >>>> There is also a thesis from the same group that gives more info.... >>>> >>>> The paper makes clear that one of the preferred technologies in >>>> electric meters (the Rogowski coil) >>>> can go haywire when nonlinear loads are present. The smart meters gave >>>> readings up to 500% higher >>>> than the actual usage. The meters PNM has proposed for its entire >>>> territory is the Itron "Gen5" Riva, >>>> which has been deployed in the last 2 years in Denver and parts of >>>> Texas. Sure enough, some customers' >>>> bill have gone way up (3 or 4-fold in one news report), and they have >>>> little recourse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpOhTXV59pI&t=20s >>>> >>>> I intervened in this PRC proceeding last year, and may be able to get >>>> this info onto the record, and try to >>>> get the PRC to require better testing on nonlinear loads. But I need >>>> someone with some relevant expertise >>>> (can be education or experience) to explain the published findings and >>>> their implications to the PRC in an affidavit by March. >>>> This person would then answer questions from the PRC and possibly PNM >>>> via zoom in a short hearing in late April or May. >>>> >>>> I have several reasons for not wanting to see PNM make this huge >>>> investment (and by law they are entitled to a nice >>>> rate of return paid by us, the customers) in a very messed-up >>>> technology. Probably most of us in this group >>>> don't sweat much about our electric bills (actually maybe if ours >>>> quadrupled, we would), but for low-income families, this is >>>> potentially very cruel, since the cost of the meters will be charged >>>> with interest regardless of usage, and energy-saving >>>> appliances typically have nonlinear load usages). >>>> >>>> I hope to be at the St. John's gathering Friday am, but feel free to >>>> reply or contact me directly if interested in this. >>>> >>>> >>>> --William J. 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