"It will definitely affect all of us in the long run. Even those who run custom servers."
"We also have servers that were never on quickplay and they are seeing a small but accelerating decrease of players. Why is this also harming non-quickplay servers? Because new players are now being conditioned to play on official Valve servers and they are never made aware that there are non-quickplay type servers they would enjoy" My server is doing pretty well and to be honest we had full server from 9-10AM to about 1-2AM. Since that quickplay thing valve did we are having full server from about 8-9AM to about 2-5AM. 99% of our players are from my country and that is what we are basing on to keep going. Players are serching for server from their country. Biggest harm is done to USA servers. And don't be fooled by what I said - If this will somehow help I am willing to be with you all and force valve to change things back like they were before. It is not affecting me by what they did but I suport community servers. 2014-02-05 1nsane <1nsane...@gmail.com>: > There's a reason why they haven't added the "Valve only servers" checkbox > to the MvM search. > > But they should... there's community servers that are laggy/broken, give > extra credits, spawn extra bots, give custom upgrades and do whatever other > modifications. They are clearly not vanilla and ruin the experience for all > new players expecting proper MvM. > > > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 4:42 PM, The Wave <thew...@thewaveserver.com> > wrote: > > > "The funny part is that mvm is actually still pretty full here.. " > > > > I can confirm this as well, my mvm still has lots of players. I assume > > Valve runs a lot bootcamp servers? I never actually checked. > > > > > > On 2/5/2014 3:38 PM, Erik-jan Riemers wrote: > > > >> In my eyes, custom servers are still something i can manage since people > >> search for that. All quickplay servers are on my list of "to be removed" > >> we > >> used to have say 6 to 8 players that would join a server (regulars) and > >> then quickplay would kick in and send some clients to it. When its above > >> 10-15 the "i only come when its full regulars" will be coming too. > >> > >> Now it just sits there around 6 to 8 players, people try to fill it up > but > >> nobody comes (an hour passes, still nothing) imho, tf2 vanilla servers > >> offered by community = dead. > >> > >> The funny part is that mvm is actually still pretty full here.. > >> > >> > >> 2014-02-05 Aaron Thompson <rmesc...@gmail.com>: > >> > >> I agree that they should revert the change, yet this does not affect > me. > >>> I > >>> get all my traffic from the browser. :) the way things used to be. > >>> > >>> Sincerely, > >>> Aaron > >>> On Feb 5, 2014 3:15 PM, "Robert Paulson" <thepauls...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>> That is easy for you to say but absolutely unhelpful to server owners > >>>> who > >>>> started with vanilla settings. They can change to non quickplay > settings > >>>> > >>> to > >>> > >>>> appeal to browser only players, but then they will alienate their > >>>> current > >>>> players, losing all their seeders, AND they have to compete with your > >>>> established server to fight over the few server browsers looking for a > >>>> > >>> new > >>> > >>>> server. > >>>> > >>>> We also have servers that were never on quickplay and they are seeing > a > >>>> small but accelerating decrease of players. Why is this also harming > >>>> non-quickplay servers? Because new players are now being conditioned > to > >>>> play on official Valve servers and they are never made aware that > there > >>>> > >>> are > >>> > >>>> non-quickplay type servers they would enjoy. > >>>> > >>>> This will eventually affect your non-quickplay server even if you > don't > >>>> notice it yet. You will not see this reflected on your gametracker > rank > >>>> because it affects all community servers. > >>>> > >>>> Bribe players with secret saxtoners to stay on your server as if we > >>>> > >>> weren't > >>> > >>>> spending enough money on servers? Using your steam group? Do you know > >>>> > >>> there > >>> > >>>> is a very small and invisible limit on the people you can invite now > and > >>>> another limit that makes all non-friend invites silently fail? Isn't > >>>> > >>> there > >>> > >>>> something wrong with the system when these gimmicks are the only way > to > >>>> > >>> get > >>> > >>>> players instead of letting community servers compete equally with > >>>> > >>> official > >>> > >>>> servers? > >>>> > >>>> I am sorry but your suggestions don't help at all. Disabling community > >>>> quickplay must be reversed or a compromise must be made if Valve > really > >>>> cares about the long term player experience instead of a sloppy fix > for > >>>> players too lazy to use the browser and likely to not have paid Valve > a > >>>> single dime. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Martin V <velt...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> "And my servers are in the top 50 on Gametracker." > >>>>> My server is in top20-15 and I don't see any player drops/decreasing. > >>>>> Probably because my server is 'banned' (or has really LOW priority > >>>>> in quickplay) from quickplay system for my tags: > >>>>> increased_maxplayers,nocrits,nodmgspread,respawntimes > >>>>> > >>>>> Maybe you should try not to depend on quickplay so much? Try > expending > >>>>> > >>>> your > >>>> > >>>>> community and put some life into servers. Make some events. Prizes > for > >>>>> players etc. > >>>>> Try using your steam group to fill the server with loyal players. > Throw > >>>>> some secret saxtoners like we do :) > >>>>> USE YOUR IMAGINATION AND ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE! :D > >>>>> > >>>>> Try using this plugin: > >>>>> https://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=2060588 <-- it show > you > >>>>> where your traffic is comming from (what connection method). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> 2014-02-05 Chris Oryschak <ch...@oryschak.com>: > >>>>> > >>>>> ics, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You're not the only one; i'm seeing the exact same trend on my > >>>>>> > >>>>> servers. > >>> > >>>> Traffic is 50-58% decreased and I heavily rely on my community of 5 > >>>>>> > >>>>> yrs > >>>> > >>>>> to > >>>>> > >>>>>> get the servers going come mid/late afternoon when they get home > from > >>>>>> school & work. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> If it wasn't for having my community built up for so long my servers > >>>>>> > >>>>> would > >>>>> > >>>>>> be on the brink of death, give it a few months and without being > able > >>>>>> > >>>>> to > >>>> > >>>>> attract more players to replenish the community base i can see my > >>>>>> > >>>>> servers > >>>> > >>>>> dwindling down to nothing. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> And my servers are in the top 50 on Gametracker. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Fletcher - Can you chime in on this, it would be really nice to get > a > >>>>>> > >>>>> Valve > >>>>> > >>>>>> response on the mailing list instead of having to rely on 3rd party > >>>>>> > >>>>> sources > >>>>> > >>>>>> of email exchanges. I know why Valve has done what they have done > >>>>>> > >>>>> but > >>> > >>>> it > >>>> > >>>>> would be really nice to get some feedback and/or maybe collectively > >>>>>> > >>>>> come > >>>> > >>>>> up > >>>>> > >>>>>> with some solutions that favor both the community servers and valves > >>>>>> > >>>>> strict > >>>>> > >>>>>> 'vanilla' experience. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We (community operators) would just like to regain some comfort > >>>>>> > >>>>> knowing > >>> > >>>> this isn't the death of us. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 12:53 PM, ics <i...@ics-base.net> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Some time has now passed since Valve defaulted quickplay to Valve > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> servers > >>>>> > >>>>>> only on TF2 and we are taking the hit. Roughly half of our servers > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> it > >>> > >>>> now > >>>>> > >>>>>> empty. Changes daily which servers have players and which have not > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> so > >>> > >>>> it's > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> not really a lack of people not knowing them are there but lack of > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> players > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> one and nobody enters. They switch to fuller servers and since > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> there > >>> > >>>> isn't > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> much new players entering automatically and regulars are hesitant > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> to > >>> > >>>> enter > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> empty ones, this is where we are. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> So after running servers for TF2 since the game came out, this is > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> what > >>>> > >>>>> i > >>>>> > >>>>>> get, go away message? You don't want me to run servers anylonger? I > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> don't > >>>>> > >>>>>> run crap on servers or advertisements or any mods, except for > >>>>>>> administration between servers. 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