Your attachments
Hello Allie, Forgive me if this has been asked before, but I've only recently started receiving posts from this list again (voluntarily). The question pertains to the fact that all of your posts (and some others) have an attachment called 'message.att'. Does everyone see this attachment or is it just me? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lumbering along with The Bat! v1.61 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New Key Checksum codes
Hello , OK, I just downloaded and installed (over my old 1.xx version) the latest version of TB!. I find that I can't use my old Key and Checksum codes with this new version. What do I have to do to get new codes? Do I have to actually purchase TB! again? -- Best regards, Jack mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: New Key Checksum codes
Hello Melissa, Monday, June 7, 2004, 3:29:26 PM, you wrote: MR Hi Jack, MR On Monday, June 07, 2004, at 1:18:40 PM PST, you wrote: What do I have to do to get new codes? Do I have to actually purchase TB! again? MR Yes. There was a period of time when users of v1.x could get a Thanks Melissa. That's what I get for being out of the loop for so long. Oh well, Mom said I should always pay attention. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: New Key Checksum codes
Hello Martin, Monday, June 7, 2004, 4:14:41 PM, you wrote: MW -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MW Hash: SHA1 MW Hello Melissa, MW On 07 June 2004, 13:29 -0700 (07/06/200421:29 local time) Melissa Reese MW [MR] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do I have to do to get new codes? Do I have to actually purchase TB! again? MR Yes. There was a period of time when users of v1.x could get a MR substantial discount when upgrading to v2.x. The new version has been MR available for a while now, so I think that discount offer is no longer MR in effect. MW There are some offers on at the moment if you're upgrading 1.x... $17.50 MW student, $24.50 personal and $31.50 business. The offer should have MW ended 1 June but it still shows... maybe if you're quick? Thanks Martin. I was the one who wrote the original post and Melissa was kind enough to reply to me. You're right :) the offers are still on the web page and I followed through the purchase procedure just as though they hadn't expired yet. We'll see what happens. Thanks to all. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Your attachments
Hello Urban, Wednesday, June 9, 2004, 2:15:19 PM, you wrote: U Wednesday, June 9, 2004, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Over here the attachments are called Part.txt. Should I be worried? U JSL seems to use TB v1.61 U It's been a while, but I think TB1.6x showed PGP/MIME sigs as msg.att Thanks Urban. As you can see, I've since upgraded. The aforementioned attachments now appear as 'PART.TXT', -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Intermittent filter
Hello Bats!, Ever since a discussion/admonition a short time ago regarding the dangers of keeping mail in the INBOX, I created a FAUX INBOX folder. I also created a simple incoming mail filter (last filter) which searches for a nonsense string (lksdjf) NOT present in the subject. Since it's highly unlikely that string would ever appear in anyone's subject line, all incoming mail should be moved from the INBOX to the new FAUX INBOX, *and it usually is*. However, in the days since I did this, two messages (so far) remain in the INBOX and refuse to be moved by the filter to the FAUX INBOX. Even doing a manual re-filter, the messages remain in the INBOX. Needless to say, (so why am I saying it?) the nonsense string *does not* appear in the subject line of either message. Anyone have any idea why the filter might fail on a message? -- Best regards, Jack mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spam, Bayes It, Kludges, white list, balck list... : French need help !
Hello WilWilWil, Tuesday, June 15, 2004, 6:47:13 AM, you wrote: W Other question, can you help me because I'm a poor French man and I can't find W good translation of theses words found in the Plug In (I've turned TB on French W language but these terms are not translated) : W-kludges W-Use white list of kludges (and edit list button) W-number of ranking tokens W-Out of 100 score to be used for actions below : Average/maximal/minimal W-Use enhanced evaluation Try typing any unknown terms into this website: http://info.astrian.net/jargon/ -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Folder settings
Hello one and all, I have just noticed that my The Bat! folder is no longer expunging old messages. I have the parameters set as follows: Keep messages in base for 2 days On exit remove old messages (box checked) and compress the folder (box checked). In addition, if a thread is opened and I close it before shutting down, the next time I open the folder, I find that thread is open once again. I tried creating a new folder from scratch and moving all The Bat! folder messages into it and then giving it the same parameters but the new folder reacted the same way. Any thoughts on this? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 2.11.02 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder settings
Hello Allie, Tuesday, August 10, 2004, 7:14:14 PM, you wrote: AM Jack S. Larosa, [JSL] wrote: I have just noticed that my The Bat! folder is no longer expunging old messages. I have the parameters set as follows: Keep messages in base for 2 days On exit remove old messages (box checked) and compress the folder (box checked). AM Are you using POP or IMAP? I'm ashamed to admit that I don't know the difference and don't know how to find out. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder settings
Hello Allie, Wednesday, August 11, 2004, 7:55:42 AM, you wrote: AM Jack S. Larosa, [JSL] wrote: I'm ashamed to admit that I don't know the difference and don't know how to find out. AM Ashamed??!! That isn't a word in the vocabulary used on this list. :) AM Hit Shift-CTRL-P to bring up the account properties. Select the AM 'Transport' options and under the section 'Receive Mail' what is the AM Protocol type stated there? As my dear departed grandmother used to say If it was a snake, it would've bit you!. I didn't see it when I looked the first time. It's POP3. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fwd: Re[2]: Folder settings
This is a forwarded message From: Jack S. LaRosa [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2004, 6:14:24 PM Subject: Folder settings ===8==Original message text=== Hello Allie, Wednesday, August 11, 2004, 7:55:42 AM, you wrote: AM Jack S. Larosa, [JSL] wrote: I'm ashamed to admit that I don't know the difference and don't know how to find out. AM Ashamed??!! That isn't a word in the vocabulary used on this list. :) AM Hit Shift-CTRL-P to bring up the account properties. Select the AM 'Transport' options and under the section 'Receive Mail' what is the AM Protocol type stated there? As my dear departed grandmother used to say If it was a snake, it would've bit you!. I didn't see it when I looked the first time. It's POP3. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html ===8===End of original message text=== -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [Query] Norton AntiVirus and The Bat!
Hello David, Tuesday, November 2, 2004, 7:18:19 PM, you wrote: DMD Hello, everyone. DMD I apologize for bringing up the subject of Norton DMD AntiVirus (NAV) and The Bat!, again -- but one DMD serious concern I have is that Norton AntiVirus does DMD not work with The Bat!, which causes concern about DMD registering The Bat!. Although I can't offer any suggestions as to remedying your problem, I can tell you that I am currently running Norton System Works 2003 version 6.01 build 57 with no problems. I purchased this version shortly after it came out but was never able to get it to install properly on my Sony Viao desktop running Win98. However, I kept it around and ultimately loaded it this machine which runs Win XP Pro as you can see below. Fortunately it hasn't caught any infected incoming email in quite a while (that was actually the previous version 2002 running on the aformentioned Sony) but my address book is quite small so I do not have a lot of email traffic. It *does* display a progress bar on all outgoing emails and I have never been contacted by anyone claiming I sent them an infected email. If I can provide any other information please don't hesitate to contact me. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Multiple address books
Hello one and all, I asked this question a few years ago and at that time there was no way to do what I was asking, namely, have more than one address book. I actually created two .ADB files at that time and it seemed, at first glance, to have been successful but I quickly saw that any address book entry, in either address book, which was checked as a 'favorite' would display when the CREATE A NEW MESSAGE down-arrow was clicked, regardless of whose account was active at the time. I gave up on the problem at the time. I am now running WINXP Pro with two users, both administrators. On my login I have TB! set up so that it displays both my account and my wife's account. On her login I have TB! set up so that it displays only her account. However, from either login, both address books are accessible and any FAVORITES in either address book still display regardless of whose account is active. This still was more of an annoyance than a problem but I recently tried to set up my wife's address book with a 'GROUP' which could be used for mass mailing using quick templates - I was unsuccessful. I finally got mass mailing using quick templates to work by taking the group I had created and making it an address book all by itself. So now there are three address books: mine, hers, and the one created from her 'group'. Although this arrangement works, I know it's a kludge which annoys me. Can anyone extricate me from this morass? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 2.11.02 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Multiple address books
Hello Marck, Saturday, March 26, 2005, 5:56:54 PM, you wrote: MDP He would but for one thing ... he's still using v2 and this was only MDP introduced as a v3 feature. Thank you Marck and Roman, Am I to assume then that v3 supports completely separate address books and FAVORITES in one address book won't appear when the CREATE A NEW MESSAGE pull-down FAVORITES is accessed from the other account? I hope the previous paragraph made some sense. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filters
Hello one and all, I can't seem to figure out how to get a single filter to route incoming mail to individual folders based on the sender field. I have one name in the RULE tab under FILTERING STRINGS and the remainder of the names in the ALTERNATIVES tab. The filter is in the INCOMING MAIL folder. Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 2.11.02 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters
Hello Mica, Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 9:38:04 AM, you wrote: MM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MM Hash: RIPEMD160 MM***^\ ._)~~ MM ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Tue, 25 Oct 2005, MM@ @ at 05:58:49 -0500, when Jack S. LaRosa wrote: I can't seem to figure out how to get a single filter to route incoming mail to individual folders based on the sender field. MM As for this part, I would use this... MM Rule -| Source folder: Inbox MM Move messages to folder: some individual folder MM Filtering strings -| Location: Kludges MM Strings: [the From header] MM Presence: Yes Thank you Mica. I will try this. MM ...but as for this part down... I have one name in the RULE tab under FILTERING STRINGS and the remainder of the names in the ALTERNATIVES tab. The filter is in the INCOMING MAIL folder. MM You might also try combination with addition of the remainder of the MM names not in the Alternatives tab, but right after the first name in the MM Rule tab. I remember trying this a long time ago and it didn't work. It was (or became) a thread to which someone replied suggesting using the ALTERNATIVES tab. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters
Hello Bill, Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 11:46:01 AM, you wrote: BM On Tue, 2005-10-25, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: I can't seem to figure out how to get a single filter to route incoming mail to individual folders based on the sender field. I have one name in the RULE tab under FILTERING STRINGS and the remainder of the names in the ALTERNATIVES tab. The filter is in the INCOMING MAIL folder. Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong? BM Yes, you seem to be trying to get a single (complicated) filter to move BM messages to different folders based on sender! I see that I have accidently mislead everyone by the content of my original text. I used the words individual folders implying multiple folder destinations when I should have said a single folder as a destination. Apologies. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Filters
Hello Stuart, Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 8:14:08 AM, you wrote: SC Hello Thomas, SC Tuesday, October 25, 2005, 7:50:27 AM, you wrote: TF Where are you? TF I go to Account / Sorting Office. I go to Incoming Mail and I have a TF General tab, not a Rules tab. I do not have an Alternatives tab. SC He is using version 2.11.02 which uses the old filtering system. I SC don't remember how to use the old system and I don't have access to SC an old copy. I am inferring from your reply that the later version of TB that you're using has a different method of filtering. Would what I'm trying to do be any easier with a later version of TB? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters
Hello Roelof, Thursday, October 27, 2005, 6:11:10 AM, you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Wed, 26 Oct 2005 05:47:41 -0500GMT (26-10-2005, 12:47 +0200, where RO I live), you wrote: JSL I see that I have accidently mislead everyone by the content of my JSL original text. I used the words individual folders implying multiple JSL folder destinations when I should have said a single folder as a JSL destination. RO In that case, why don't you place all relevant contacts in one address RO book (AB) group, set the condition of the filter to '@' in the sender RO and in the advanced tab you set the sender should be in the AB group RO you just created. RO This makes it easy when one of said contacts changes his address, you RO don't have to change your filter, because you've done address RO maintenance in your AB. My heartfelt thanks to all who have tried to help me with this problem. I finally did what I should have done in the beginning, namely 'if all else fails, read the instructions.' I was actually able to find the solution by reading TB's HELP section on filters. I learned that when using the ALTERNATIVES tab, each string, which represents a different sender, must be in a 'set' alone because the strings are ANDed when they are all in the same set. I created a different 'set' for each sender and specified kuldges as the place for the filter to look. The filter works just as I wanted. Roelof, your suggestion looked considerably more elegant and I tried to make it work but, alas, it wouldn't. I eliminated ALL the strings and substituted for them just the @ sign. I then defined the AB containing all the senders as a color group and specified this group in the ADVANCED tab. I would have loved to have had this work because of your observation that by simply maintaining the AB, I wouldn't ever have to change the filter as senders came and went. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filters
Hello Roelof, Friday, October 28, 2005, 3:57:01 AM, you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:09:13 -0500GMT (28-10-2005, 4:09 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: JSL Roelof, your suggestion looked considerably more elegant and I tried JSL to make it work but, alas, it wouldn't. I eliminated ALL the strings JSL and substituted for them just the @ sign. I then defined the AB JSL containing all the senders as a color group and specified this group JSL in the ADVANCED tab. I would have loved to have had this work because JSL of your observation that by simply maintaining the AB, I wouldn't ever JSL have to change the filter as senders came and went. RO It should work when you've defined everything properly. I've been RO using filtering on AB groups since v1 and never in v2 it stopped RO working. RO But you're mentioning colour groups and I mentioned AB groups, those RO are different things, colour groups are assigned to messages and AB RO groups are assigned to addresses in your address book. RO Note that AB templates (yes, that's something else) get messed up when RO you're having multiple entries with the same address, the same could RO be valid for filtering on AB groups. You're right of course. I went back and looked again at the filter, specifically the ADVANCED tab and only then noticed there was a slider bar on the right of the dialog box. Sliding the bar down exposes the rest of the choices which includes specifying a particular AB. I re-configured the filter as per your previous instructions and it works perfectly. Again, thank you. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
K9
Greetings fellow shipmates (because we're all in this boat together), I have just discovered (after much cursing of computers and IPS's and maybe just a little cursing of TB) that the reason TB wouldn't fetch large (in this case,6M) emails is because of K9. I knew the email existed and could actually view it if I opened FireFox and went to the server directly but TB would always choke on it. After disabling K9 the email fetched without any difficulty. I looked all over K9 but could not find any setting which restricted receipt of large emails. Did I miss something or have any others of you had similar problems? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 2.11.02 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9
Hello Bob, Thursday, November 3, 2005, 11:31:51 PM, you wrote: BM G'day Jack, BM Friday, November 4, 2005, 1:42:39 PM, you wrote: BM snipped I looked all over K9 but could not find any setting which restricted receipt of large emails. Did I miss something or have any others of you had similar problems? BM Under the configuration tab there is a box Don't filter messages BM larger than. Mine is ticked and with 200 KB set as the amount. I BM have had no problem receiving large messages with this setting. snipped Upon receipt of your message I looked at the 'Don't filter messages larger than' box and it's not checked, so there should be no size restriction. I too am using v1.28. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9
Hello Bob, Saturday, November 5, 2005, 12:22:30 AM, you wrote: BM Yes that is definitely the problem - well I'm almost sure :-) . Check BM the box and insert a limit over which K9 isn't to check messages and BM you hopefully won't see it fouling up on the large messages any more. Well, I set K9's limit to 10,000KB (which should be 10megs) and ticked the box. I then sent myself the same 6meg message I've been playing with from my wife's side of the computer using TB. It took almost 10 minutes to send but it went. I then fetched it using Outlook Express (sorry) because I've been using that program to test all this and it's configured to leave messages on the server. Outlook express (which is not using K9 or any other spam filter) was able to fetch it with no trouble. I then switched back to TB and tried to fetch it. Nothing came in and my connection timed out. More than willing to give TB another chance, I told TB to try fetching again. This time it did fetch the whole message including the large attachments. I hate intermittent problems. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9
Hello Alexander, Saturday, November 5, 2005, 2:01:30 PM, you wrote: ASK Hello Jack S. LaRosa everyone else, ASK on 05-Nov-2005 at 20:49 you (Jack S. LaRosa) wrote: Well, I set K9's limit to 10,000KB (which should be 10megs) and ticked the box. I then sent myself the same 6meg message ASK Keep in mind that encoding a binary file (I assume it is a binary file) for ASK transport in a plaintext email messages increases the size of the binary ASK file by about 30%. Forgive my ignorance but...a binary file? The file I'm testing with consists of plain text with three .PDF attachments which contain text pictures. Does this constitute a binary file? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: K9
Hello Bob,
Sunday, November 6, 2005, 2:45:39 AM, you wrote:
BM G'day Jack,
BM Sunday, November 6, 2005, 5:49:37 AM, you wrote:
Hello Bob,
Saturday, November 5, 2005, 12:22:30 AM, you wrote:
Well, I set K9's limit to 10,000KB (which should be 10megs) and ticked
the box. I then sent myself the same 6meg message I've been playing
with from my wife's side of the computer using TB. It took almost 10
minutes to send but it went. I then fetched it using Outlook Express
(sorry) because I've been using that program to test all this and it's
configured to leave messages on the server. Outlook express (which is
not using K9 or any other spam filter) was able to fetch it with no
trouble.
BM Jack I think you are missing the point here. The aim here is to
BM _STOP_ K9 checking very large messages as the foul-up apparently
BM occurs when K9 is trying to scan a very large message and the download
BM process times out before the message is fully downloaded. What you
BM need to do is to set a limit large enough so that all your normal
BM sized mail (including Spam) is checked, but very large messages, like
BM the one you are having problems with) go straight through without
BM checking. My K9 checks everything up to 200 KB but allows larger
BM messages through without checking. So far I haven't had any Spam over
BM the 200 KB limit and the few very large messages that I get are
BM received without problems.
Doh! I'll be the first to admit that I'm a little slow on the uptake
sometimes. After reading your reply it finally dawned on me that K9
would scan *ALL* messages, regardless of size, unless that box {Don't
filter messages larger than} was checked. I have now reset the size
option back to K9's default of 200K but have yet to perform any
further tests. I'll run some tests and post if I continue to have
problems.
Thanks to all for helping me understand what was probably going on.
--
Best regards,
Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now running TB! v2.11.02 from
Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2
Current version is 3.62.09 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Auto forwarding
Hello one and all, I read somewhere (perhaps here, perhaps KOMANDO.COM) that the Federal Government is requesting that all received spam messages be forwarded to the Govt. Spam Office, [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are led to believe that the Government is attempting to do something about spam. I use K9 as my spam filter and have a folder called SPAM which is where K9 deposits messages it marks as spam. When my brain is occasionally fully functioning I remember to select all messages in that folder and forward them to the Govt. Spam Office. Usually, I forget to do this and absentmindedly delete all the spam messages after review. It occurs to me that the all-powerful TB! can probably automate this procedure. I would like TB! to take all messages placed in the SPAM folder by K9 to generate a forwarded message (or messages) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and place the resulting message(s) in my OUTBOX. There they (it) would remain until the next send/fetch command. I'm not sure if a separate message for each spam message be generated or if a single message containing all the spam messages be generated. It probably doesn't make any difference to the Government. I defer to the superior intelligence of my fellow list members to suggest a way to do this. May all enjoy a Happy Thanksgiving! -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 2.11.02 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spam locking TheBat!
Hello Terry, Tuesday, November 29, 2005, 10:58:07 AM, you wrote: TGM Hi All TGM I have been receiving a strange type of junk e-mail. The e-mail is TGM obviously spam and gets filtered to my junk folder. TGM If I click on the e-mail to delete it, TB! locks and will not respond. TGM I have to kill TB! with the task manager. The only way I can delete TGM this e-mail is to pick an e-mail above and shift-pick below and TGM delete the group. TGM Has anyone had a similar problem? Yep. I had a similar email which would do the same thing. I found that if I changed the VIEW so that the body of the email wouldn't display, I could delete it. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.62.14 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Old address books in new v3.64
Hello Stuart, Saturday, January 14, 2006, 2:37:46 PM, you wrote: SC I see your message, but know very little about the address book. I am SC using th enewest beta and it appears that my address book is called SC thebat.abd. It is in my mail directory. Is this where yours appears? Thank you for replying Stuart. At least now I know my messages are making it to the list. As you can see from my sig, I am back to my old version of TB for reasons stated in my original post. In this, the old version, the address books are kept in the Windows folder titled THE BAT! They are named JACK.abd and JUNE.abd, not JACK.adb and JUNE.adb as in my previous post. I mistakenly transposed the last two letters. Anyway, in this old version (2.11), there are no files named 'thebat.abd' as in your beta version. RIT Labs states: Updating to the latest version of the programme is easy: there is no need in uninstalling your existing copy of The Bat! - just install the new version over. All the settings, messages and address books will be preserved. So, that's what I did. No old address books. Thanks to you I now know I am reaching the list so I'll just keep checking to see if anyone has an answer to this. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Old address books in new v3.64
Hello Paul, Saturday, January 14, 2006, 3:05:57 PM, you wrote: PB Perhaps you can go into Address Book in the old version, and PB File-Export as an LDIF or other file, then go into the new version PB 3.64 and File-Import the file. Well, that seems redundant because when I install the new 3.64 version as per RIT lab's instructions, I find that both address books exist (on disk) just as they did in the old version. So, exporting from the old and importing into the new wouldn't seem to accomplish anything. So... they're already there, but the new version seems to ignore them or can't find them. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v2.11.02 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.64.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Old address books in new v3.64
Hello Stuart, Saturday, January 14, 2006, 6:13:03 PM, you wrote: SC I wonder if this is the problem. Because you have Address books named SC specifically for each of you instead of the generic address book SC thebat.abd, when you upgrade it does not move your personalized SC address books to the Mail folder. It seems they are in a different SC location than the old version which seems to have been using TheBat SC directory to store the .abd files. Very good idea and makes a lot of sense but... quite often when using TB I've found that logic is an alien concept. In other words, (without my sarcasm), that didn't work. What *DID* work was clicking on: ADDRESS BOOK | FILE | OPEN ADDRESS BOOK whereupon one is presented with the Windows folder titled: THE BAT! where both of my missing address books resided. By clicking on one of them it then became available in the ADDRESS BOOK pull-down menu. Performing the same operation on the second one was also successful. My heartfelt thanks to all who responded to my query. And now I have a different question. Since I have two different address books for the two accounts, why does the CREATE A NEW MESSAGE down-arrow show FAVORITES from BOTH address books? I don't need to see the FAVORITES from the other address book when I'm in my account and she doesn't need to see my FAVORITES when she's in her account. This little annoyance has plagued me for a number of years now. I had hoped it would go away with this new upgrade but, alas, it hasn't. Anybody? -- TIA Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.64.01 Christmas Edition from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Dual address books
Hello one and all, Since I have two different address books for the two accounts, why does the CREATE A NEW MESSAGE down-arrow show FAVORITES from BOTH address books? I don't need to see the FAVORITES from the other address book when I'm in my account and she doesn't need to see my FAVORITES when she's in her account. This little annoyance has plagued me for a number of years now. I had hoped it would go away with this new upgrade but, alas, it hasn't. Also, since upgrading to v3.65 I noticed that if there's a message saved in the outbox as a finished message (not a draft) and I click on the RECEIVE NEW MAIL down-arrow and then select GET NEW MAIL FOR ALL, new mail is fetched and then the message gets sent. If the message is saved as a draft, it doesn't get sent. Is there some setting somewhere I'm not aware of? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.65.03 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Dual address books
Hello Marck, Thursday, January 19, 2006, 6:03:58 AM, you wrote: MDP Dear Jack, MDP @19-Jan-2006, 05:41 -0600 (19-Jan 11:41 here) Jack S. LaRosa [JSL] in MDP mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Bats!: JSL Since I have two different address books for the two accounts, why JSL does the CREATE A NEW MESSAGE down-arrow show FAVORITES from BOTH JSL address books? MDP Use different a Default address book for each account in account MDP properties. I've had the accounts set up like that for a long time so that doesn't seem to be the answer. The default address book for my account is 'Jack's addresses' and for her account it's 'June's addresses'. JSL Also, since upgrading to v3.65 I noticed that if there's a message JSL saved in the outbox as a finished message (not a draft) and I click on JSL the RECEIVE NEW MAIL down-arrow and then select GET NEW MAIL FOR ALL, JSL new mail is fetched and then the message gets sent. If the message is JSL saved as a draft, it doesn't get sent. Is there some setting somewhere JSL I'm not aware of? MDP Draft messages use the Parked flag to prevent them from being sent. MDP Non-draft messages are not parked and are sent. I see where my wording on this question may have caused you to misunderstand. If we assume there are no parked messages but only saved, ready-to-send messages, and I choose GET NEW MAIL FOR ALL I would expect TB to do only a receive, not a send/receive which is what it does. I would expect a send/receive only if I had chosen SEND + CHECK FOR ALL. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.65.03 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Dual address books
Hello Bob, Thursday, January 19, 2006, 11:15:14 PM, you wrote: BM G'day Jack, BM Friday, January 20, 2006, 1:20:39 PM, you wrote: BM snipped I see where my wording on this question may have caused you to misunderstand. If we assume there are no parked messages but only saved, ready-to-send messages, and I choose GET NEW MAIL FOR ALL I would expect TB to do only a receive, not a send/receive which is what it does. I would expect a send/receive only if I had chosen SEND + CHECK FOR ALL. BM Have you checked Account Properties - Transport to see if the box BM marked Combined Delivery (Send + Receive) is ticked. If the box is BM ticked The Bat! will do both actions together whenever you ask it to BM Send OR Check for new mail. That was it. Thank you Bob. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.65.03 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Aletrnatives to AVG?
Hello Neal, Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 4:39:42 PM, you wrote: NL Hi Barry, I've started having numerous connection failures when retrieving mail using the AVG plugin for TB so I thought I'd look out for an alternative antivirus program. NL I just set up on a new laptop and had the same problem with AVG. have NL not investigated much yet, but check to see if the proxy servers are NL checked and on. This can result in sending failure with TB. AVG always NL been good to me :) I use AVG also and have never had any trouble with it. No viruses have infected my machine (AFAIK) but, AVG has never told me it intercepted a virus. Which makes me wonder... Anybody know a way to test the functionality of whatever AV is being used? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.65.03 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Aletrnatives to AVG?
Hello Neal, Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 10:36:14 PM, you wrote: NL Hey Jack, I use AVG also and have never had any trouble with it. No viruses have infected my machine (AFAIK) but, AVG has never told me it intercepted a virus. Which makes me wonder... Anybody know a way to test the functionality of whatever AV is being used? NL The only time I see it come to life is updating itself and then if NL something bad opens up in the OS. When it detects naughtiness it NL will pop up a very ugly ogre (or troll) and tell you something's NL amiss. But when using the AVG plugin for TB! it will just send it to NL the Quarantine folder, where they will happily sit until you delete NL them. Usually I don't have TB! mark them as READ so I can have some NL feedback when something's detected. Forgive me for taking the lazy man's way of getting this info but what is the AVG plugin for TB! I downloaded AVG from their website and installed it on my machine. It seems to be running as I occasionally see the AVG update box letting me know it's updating it's virus library. Your statement regarding a plugin for TB! implies I should have done something from within TB! to make fuller use of AVG. Should I have? and if so, what? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.65.03 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Aletrnatives to AVG?
Hello Roelof, Saturday, February 11, 2006, 5:28:21 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO When you install AVG after you've installed TB, AVG will recognize TB RO and install the plug-in in AVG's program directory and it will RO configure TB to look for the plug-in: RO C:\Program Files\Grisoft\AVG7\avgbat.bat RO You can check that in: RO Options - Preferences - Anti Virus RO When I look at Options - Preferences - Anti Virus I see in the box called 'Virus Checking Plug-ins' the line AVG Plug-in for The Bat! Does this mean that it's already installed and working to check all incoming and outgoing mail? My sincerest appreciation for your patience with my ignorance. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.65.03 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Aletrnatives to AVG?
Hello Roelof, Sunday, February 12, 2006, 1:02:28 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:29:10 -0600GMT (12-2-2006, 14:29 +0100, where I RO live), you wrote: JSL When I look at Options - Preferences - Anti Virus I see in the box JSL called 'Virus Checking Plug-ins' the line AVG Plug-in for The Bat! RO Ain't computers smart? JSL Does this mean that it's already installed and working to check all JSL incoming and outgoing mail? RO Yes. Thanks for your help Roelof. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.65.03 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.65.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Putting a reply into the same folder where the original message is stored?
Hello MFPA, Sunday, March 5, 2006, 5:57:55 PM, you wrote: M The condition is ADDRESS GROUP 'SHS' CONTAINS first recipient. M ADDRESS GROUP = SHS would not say whether you were testing the M sender, the recipient, cc, bcc,... Well, actually it doesn't matter because the sender is a member of the group and any CC or BCC would also be a member of the group. M Perhaps all the entries in the SHS AB group could have an entry of M SHS in the memo field, for example. Then you could try filtering M on the condition memo matches SHS. That would probably work but you never know with TB! I may try it, thanks. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.65.03 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.71.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder properties
Hello Mary, Saturday, June 3, 2006, 12:35:25 PM, you wrote: MB Hello Jack! MB On Friday, June 02, 2006, 6:39 PM, you wrote: I just accidently discovered that when I go to view/change folder properties, the dialog box is cut off on the right side. It's cut off at the point where only the left edge of the check boxes shows. The contents of the check boxes cannot be seen. When I expand the dialog box by dragging the right edge, the partial check boxes simply travel along with the edge of the dialog box, still never revealing their contents. MB Change to 96 dpi or less, in MB Windows/Desktop/Properties/Settings/Advanced. You should then find the MB check boxes fully visible. Thanks Mary. Un-fortunately, while I could probably tolerate the smaller font (for a while), my wife would never stand for it. However, by doing as you suggested I was able to change the number of days messages are to be kept in my trash folder which is how I discovered this in the first place. After making the change I went back to the larger font. Is there any automatic notification (by email message) of when this bug gets fixed or do I just have to watch general notifications more closely? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.80.06 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder properties
Hello Chris, Saturday, June 3, 2006, 2:37:22 PM, you wrote: Is there any automatic notification (by email message) of when this bug gets fixed or do I just have to watch general notifications more closely? C If you watch the bug (login to Mantis, open the bug page, click C monitor), then you will get periodic e-mail messages when the status C has changed. Mantis? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.80.06 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder properties
Hello Chris, Saturday, June 3, 2006, 2:37:22 PM, you wrote: Is there any automatic notification (by email message) of when this bug gets fixed or do I just have to watch general notifications more closely? C If you watch the bug (login to Mantis, open the bug page, click C monitor), then you will get periodic e-mail messages when the status C has changed. Disregard previous message. I just figured it out. Thanks Chris. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.80.06 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder properties
Hello Mary, Saturday, June 3, 2006, 4:10:00 PM, you wrote: MB Hello Jack! MB You could add a confirming note, if you have the time, Jack, at MB http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5817 , MB that the bug is a problem for you, too. MB That way, if Stefan hasn't had time to get back to the problem, at MB least he will be able to see that it's not only a concern of the beta MB testers involved: That the difficulty pops up not infrequently in MB everyday use of The Bat! Done. I hope I did it correctly. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.80.06 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Folder properties
Hello Mary, I just read your response to my note 0017086 and I realized (too late) that I had not paid enough attention to the text in your note 0016886. Had I been able to summon the requisite number of functioning brain cells I would have seen that your comments referred to your screen font being set to 96dpi when you *WERE* able to extend the dialog box enough to cause the number boxes to become visible. My apologies for being so obtuse. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.80.06 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mystery message
Hello Batties! This is a forwarded message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 17, 2006, 8:42:01 PM Subject: confirm 1032b4235a93039f27be2f70a96c262386dc48db ===8==Original message text=== Your membership in the mailing list TBUDL has been disabled due to excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was dated 18-Aug-2006. You will not get any more messages from this list until you re-enable your membership. You will receive 3 more reminders like this before your membership in the list is deleted. To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this message (leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation page at http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/confirm/tbudl/1032b4235a93039f27be2f70a96c262386dc48db You can also visit your membership page at http://stromgrade.its-toasted.org/mailman/options/tbudl/jlarosa%40charter.net On your membership page, you can change various delivery options such as your email address and whether you get digests or not. As a reminder, your membership password is password If you have any questions or problems, you can contact the list owner at [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===8===End of original message text=== I received this some days ago and have no idea what it means. I have not received any bounces (except when I tried to inquire about this message) and I have not been notified by friends that they have had any bounces writing to me. As mentioned above, the only bounce I've received recently was when I tried to contact the list owner ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) to inquire about this message. The password above was correct in the original message. I overwrote it for obvious reasons. I have not yet re-enabled my membership as suggested in the message because I wanted to try and learn what the message meant first. Any ideas anyone? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Upgrade?
Hello one and all, I received notification that a bug I had commented on has been fixed in the latest (or close to the latest) version of The Bat!. Can I go to the RIT Labs home page and simply download the latest version without having to shell out any more money? We used to be able to do this but the version I'm using now we had to pay for. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.80.06 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 behavior
Hello Alexander, Monday, December 11, 2006, 10:32:07 AM, you wrote: ASK Hello Jack S. LaRosa everyone else, ASK on 11-Dez-2006 at 00:23 you (Jack S. LaRosa) wrote: The problem (which only recently started) occurs when My wife selects herself from the Win logon screen. ASK Are you logged off then, or are you using fast user switching? I am logged off. I seldom use fast user switching because if I remain logged on and simply switch users, K9 won't even start when she logs on. You get some kind of error message whose text I can't remember right now. Apparently K9 can be used by only one user at a time. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.85.03 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 behavior
Hello Alexander, Tuesday, December 12, 2006, 11:07:54 AM, you wrote: ASK Hello Jack S. LaRosa everyone else, ASK on 12-Dez-2006 at 00:56 you (Jack S. LaRosa) wrote: The problem (which only recently started) occurs when My wife selects herself from the Win logon screen. ASK Are you logged off then, or are you using fast user switching? I am logged off. I seldom use fast user switching because if I remain logged on and simply switch users, K9 won't even start when she logs on. You get some kind of error message whose text I can't remember right now. Apparently K9 can be used by only one user at a time. ASK Thats why I was asking, but since you're aware of it and this isn't the ASK problem, I have no clue whats going on, sorry. S'ok. Thanks for trying anyway. I may just try re-installing K9 but I suppose that would require that K9 go thru the 'learning' process again. Curiously however, K9 hasn't flagged any messages as 'SPAM' and routed them to my spam folder in quite a while. One or two actual spam messages appear in my inbox occasionally and I assume they're new to K9 because K9 didn't catch them and flag them as spam. I then manually flag them as spam and then 'ORGANIZE' K9 to clear the slate. Kinda makes ya go hmmm. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.85.03 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Quarantine folder
Hello one and all, My wife and I just recently noticed that each of our accounts now has a quarantine folder which neither of us remembers seeing before. Are we *both* going senile or did these folders just magically appear and if so, when? Since they *are* here, how are they used? Presumably TB! will perform the quarantines or is it something I have to do? BTW, they existed before I downloaded the Christmas edition. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.95.6 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quarantine folder
Hello Roelof, Sunday, December 31, 2006, 8:10:15 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 15:10:00 -0600GMT (31-12-2006, 22:10 , where I RO live), you wrote: JSL My wife and I just recently noticed that each of our accounts now has JSL a quarantine folder which neither of us remembers seeing before. Are JSL we *both* going senile or did these folders just magically appear and JSL if so, when? RO That's where messages that the anti-virus plug-in marks as infected RO are stored. Maybe you recently installed a virus scanner that's RO accompanied by a plug-in for TB? Actually, no. I have been using K9 for some time now and it moves messages it deems as spam to a SPAM folder I created when I started using K9. My question rather concerned the fact that neither I nor my wife ever remembers seeing a quarantine folder. It struck me as odd that we both should have noticed it within days of each other. My impression is that it appeared when neither of us was looking. Did TB! somehow create it? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.95.6 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quarantine folder
Hello Jim, Monday, January 1, 2007, 6:46:04 PM, you wrote: JK I'm using the AVG anti-virus plug-in, and it creates the Quarantine folder JK only when an infection is detected. I can delete the folder and it will JK stay gone until another baddie shows up. I too am using the AVG anti-virus. Thanks for solving the mystery. My wife and I playfully refer to ourselves as 'geezers' but I was beginning to think senility had finally arrived. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.95.6 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Quarantine folder
Hello Roelof, Monday, January 1, 2007, 6:17:50 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 17:22:21 -0600GMT (2-1-2007, 0:22 , where I live), RO you wrote: JSL My question rather concerned the fact that neither I nor my JSL wife ever remembers seeing a quarantine folder. It struck me as odd JSL that we both should have noticed it within days of each other. My JSL impression is that it appeared when neither of us was looking. Did TB! JSL somehow create it? RO It's very likely that TB created it. It's one of TB's system folders, RO though I just created a new account (to test this) and the new account RO didn't contain a quarantine folder, I don't know what triggered its RO creation at your side. Thank you for replying Roelof. As you can probably see, others have responded with what appears to be the explanation as I too use AVG Free edition anti-virus. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.95.6 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Encryption
Hello one and all, Recently I've been exposed to information regarding the real or imagined dangers of using Gmail from Google: (http://www.gmail-is-too-creepy.com/) While I'm not into black helicopters as a rule, I do lean towards lending some credence to what I've read about Google's data-mining practices and how easily it could be subverted. It occurred to me that perhaps that might be one reason why some people on this list seem to use encryption, but since I'm always able to view correspondence from this list without any decryption that I'm aware of, I'm at a loss to understand the purpose this encryption. If I can view the email apparently un-encrypted, where's the protection encryption supposedly provides? Or am I completely missing the purpose of such encryption? Enlightenment would be most appreciated. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.95.6 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Encryption
Hello Chris, Monday, January 15, 2007, 8:17:08 PM, you wrote: CW Jack S. LaRosa @ 2007-1-15 5:57:15 PM CW Encryption mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] While I'm not into black helicopters as a rule, I do lean towards lending some credence to what I've read about Google's data-mining practices and how easily it could be subverted. It occurred to me that perhaps that might be one reason why some people on this list seem to use encryption CW Think of normal e-mail messages as postcards. Encrypted e-mail CW messages are letters in (really strong, tamper evident) security CW envelopes. Ah! The light begins to dawn. but since I'm always able to view correspondence from this list without any decryption that I'm aware of, I'm at a loss to understand the purpose this encryption. If I can view the email apparently un-encrypted, where's the protection encryption supposedly provides? Or am I completely missing the purpose of such encryption? CW These e-mail messages are not encrypted; they are signed. If you CW inspect this message's source, you will see that there is a checksum CW included. This, along with my public key, will allow you (with the CW correct software) to determine whether this message has been modified CW in transit (which it shouldn't have). Thank you Chris. You have clearly explained what I've been seeing on this list. With this new-found knowledge you've provided I now assume that PGP or some other encryption utility *could* be used to completely encrypt (make un-readable) any email message. True? And if so, would any recipient then need a key of some sort to make the message readable? While I currently have no reason to encrypt (or sign) any email I might send, I can see dark clouds looming over the horizon which might make one concerned about just who (or what) was reading such emails. A sign of the times I suppose. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.95.6 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Inbox 'dangers'
Hello one and all, Quite some time ago I read a post suggesting it was somehow unsafe to keep received posts in the 'inbox'. Because of that post I created a 'faux inbox' and a filter to redirect all incoming posts to that 'faux inbox'. It has worked well all this time but I can no longer remember exactly *why* it was unsafe to keep received posts in the standard inbox. I find it 'inelegant' to have this faux inbox as it's yet another folder displayed in the account tree. Can anyone tell me why, or even if, it's unsafe to keep received posts in the standard inbox? Did I perhaps misinterpret the original warning post? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.98.1 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.98 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to check if AVG Plugin is actually working?
Hello Marek, Wednesday, March 28, 2007, 4:21:26 PM, you wrote: MM Hello all, MM Wednesday, March 28, 2007, rich gregory wrote: How can I be sure it is working? Is anyone else running AVG that might have an idea? My AVG install looks different! In the AVG control panel's email section it says that the plug-in for TB is being used BUT in TB under Options|Preferences|Plugins there is no plug-in listed! MM You must have AVG included here, if it is not listed, TB will not send MM messages to AVG for checking. Add it manually via Add button, plugin is MM placed in Grisoft\Avg folder. I finally got around to checking this on my installation of TB and sure enough, there are no plug-ins listed in Options|Preferences|Plugins. Assuming there should be one I followed your instructions above and after clicking the ADD button and maneuvering to the Grisoft\AVG\AVG Free folder, I find that there are no .TBP files listed. Could this be because I use the 'free' version of AVG? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.98.4 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to check if AVG Plugin is actually working?
Hello Ian, Saturday, March 31, 2007, 7:10:24 PM, you wrote: IAW Jack, IAW On Sunday, April 1, 2007, 9:12:08 AM, you (Jack S. LaRosa) wrote: JSL I finally got around to checking this on my installation of TB and JSL sure enough, there are no plug-ins listed in JSL Options|Preferences|Plugins. Assuming there should be one I followed JSL your instructions above and after clicking the ADD button and JSL maneuvering to the Grisoft\AVG\AVG Free folder, I find that there are JSL no .TBP files listed. Could this be because I use the 'free' version JSL of AVG? IAW The AV plug-in settings are in IAW Options|Preferences|Protection|Anti-Virus. OK, I'm starting to get a headache here. Apparently I've misunderstood something, somewhere in this thread. I *DO* have and always have had the AVG plugin in Options|Preferences|Protection|Anti-Virus. However, one of Marek's posts indicated the AVG plugin should be in Options|Preferences|Plugins which it isn't in my configuration. Marek's post also indicated that one should use the ADD button in Options|Preferences|Plugins to locate and install the plugin. If one attempts this you find that the ADD button is looking for a .TBP file which doesn't exist in my Grisoft\AVG folder as Marek states as a location for the plugin. I think the confusion comes about because of the two locations in Options. To wit: Options|Preferences|Protection|Anti-Virus Options|Preferences|Plugins As stated above I *DO* have the plugin showing in the former but not the latter. Is your head beginning to hurt yet;) -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.98.4 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Autocompletion of address
Hello Marek, Sunday, October 28, 2007, 8:43:26 AM, you wrote: MM Hello all, MM Sunday, October 28, 2007, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Good question. I just looked for the autocomplete options (used to be from addressbook, from history etc) but couldn't find them either. Where do they hide now? MM go to Options | Preferences dialog, select Message headers section, select MM header where You want to define Autocomplete and hit Edit. There is a tab MM Editing, where You can define what You need. Thank you Marek. That's exactly what I was looking for. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.99.25 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT address
Hello one and all, Can someone direct me to the TB OT forum? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT address
Hello Roland, Saturday, May 24, 2008, 11:02:03 AM, you wrote: RB Hi Jack, RB on Saturday, May 24, 2008 at 17:35 you wrote in message RB mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] RB among others: Hello one and all, Can someone direct me to the TB OT forum? RB If you mean the mailinglist: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tbot/ Yep. That's what I meant. Thanx. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backup progress window
Hello one and all, I currently have TB! setup to perform a backup every 4 days @ 0230hrs. Apparently, this can happen only if TB! is running @ 0230hrs, which, of course, it usually isn't. The consequence of this is that the backup will start at some random time while I'm trying to take care of fetching, reading and answering my latest emails. The backup progress window pops up and cannot be minimized. No reading or answering email can be done during the backup and I have no choice but to wait till the backup is completed or cancel the backup to make the backup window go away. Is there a way to minimize the window during the backup so I can continue handling my emails or do I just have to make sure TB! is running every 4th day @ 0230hrs? My apologies if this has been discussed before but I just don't remember seeing this topic. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Dwight, Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:46:31 AM, you wrote: DAC On Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:37:39 AM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Is there a way to minimize the window during the backup so I can continue handling my emails or do I just have to make sure TB! is running every 4th day @ 0230hrs? DAC there is a 3d option. You can choose a time when the computer will be DAC running, so that you continue to have control over when it happens. True, I could do that except that when the backup is running, you can't do anything else. There's no way that I can see to make the backup run in the background while you use the computer for other tasks. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Roelof, Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:39:20 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo simbabque, RO On Sun, 1 Jun 2008 22:07:49 +0200GMT (1-6-2008, 22:07 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: S Haven't tried to read mail or something at the time of the backup, S though. RO That won't work. What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is essentially locked during the backup? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Dwight, Sunday, June 1, 2008, 4:43:05 PM, you wrote: DC On Sunday, June 1, 2008, 3:46:35 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: What won't work? Reading mail? Are you confirming the machine is essentially locked during the backup? DC No. The machine isn't tied up at all. You just can't get the bat do do DC a backup and do other things at the same time. Makes sense to me. OK. Thank you Dwight and Roelof for the information. I never tried to do anything else with the machine except work in TB while the backup was in progress. Now, if I may beg the audience's indulgence again on this topic - I currently have the standard backup (not an 'update' backup) configured to create a backup file called F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk. I assume this would cause a backup file to be created with the filename F:\autobackup-2008-06-02-xx-xx-xx.tbk with the Xs replaced with the time of creation. My F: drive holds all of my machine's backups. Because of this discussion I looked at my F: drive and noticed that the most recent TB! backup file was named: F:\autobackup.tbk with an OS timestamp of 03/25/2008. The backup which caused me to start this discussion was run a couple of weeks ago and was allowed to run to completion. But where did it go? And as you can see, the last backup file is called simply autobackup.tbk without any time/date info as part of the filename. I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s backup at will? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Paul, Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 3:37:36 PM, you wrote: -- snip - JSL I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out JSL where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s JSL backup at will? -- snip - PB While you await an expert reply, I do manual backups using: PB Tools PB Backup PB Browse for file etc. PB Select all accounts PB OK DOH! Thanks Paul. I have been using TB! trouble free for so many years I'd forgotten to even look for a problem solution in the menus. I think I'm reaching the point in life where I can hide my own Easter eggs. The steps you suggest should of course produce a backup with a filename created by me. However, the *default* auto-backup filename shown in: OPTIONS PREFERENCES SYSTEM AUTO BACKUP ADVANCED seems to contain macro commands which should produce a backup filename containing the current date/time. As you'll see in a subsequent reply from Roelof, he suggests manually starting the auto-backup by changing the start time of the auto-backup to a close point in the future. Perhaps a minute or two - something I'll try shortly. -- Anyway, thanks for the geezer help. Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Roelof, Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 5:03:36 AM, you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 07:12:06 -0500GMT (2-6-2008, 14:12 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: JSL I'd like to experiment with this file naming protocol and find out JSL where the last backup went. Is there a way to manually start TB!'s JSL backup at will? RO How big was your last saved backup and much free space have you got on RO the drive where you store your backups? And much free space have got RO left on the drive where your temp directory is stored? No problem with file size or available disk space. I did a search and found the file autobackup.tbk in the C:\Program Files\The Bat!\MAIL folder with an OS timestamp of 5/31 @ 08:11 which is about the time/date I remember the last autobackup occurring. Why it landed in that location is a mystery. RO In the past it wasn't possible to use macros in the name of the RO autobackup, has that been changed? That was the reason that I didn't RO use the autobackup feature but still used my own scheduled backup RO that allowed for macros in the name. As you can see in a previous paragraph the filename created by TB! is simply autobackup.tbk without any embedded date/time in the filename as it appears in OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED. RO BTW2 No, it isn't possible to start TB's autobackup manually, though RO it appears to be possible to change the time it starts to something RO sooner. I tried this by setting the days counter to the minimum (1 day) and setting the time to now+2 minutes. Sure enough, the autobackup started in a couple of minutes, ran to completion and stored the autobackup.tbk file on the F: drive as specified in the default filename OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED but again, without the date/time embedded in the filename. I next tried a *manual* backup as suggested by Paul in a previous reply using as a filename the one displayed in OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED which is F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk. That produced a .tbk file on the F: drive called exactly F:\autobackup-%DATE(-mm-dd)-%TIME(hh-mm-ss).tbk. My head is starting to hurt. I think in light of all that I have learned from this thread I'll just cancel the scheduled backup and start it manually from the TOOLS menu as Paul suggested. -- My sincere thanks to all those that have tried to educate me in the mysteries of TB!. Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Jos, Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 12:55:50 PM, you wrote: JK Hello Jack, JK Tuesday, June 3, 2008, 6:37:35 PM, you wrote: RO BTW2 No, it isn't possible to start TB's autobackup manually, though RO it appears to be possible to change the time it starts to something RO sooner. JSL I tried this by setting the days counter to the minimum (1 day) and JSL setting the time to now+2 minutes. Sure enough, the autobackup started JSL in a couple of minutes, ran to completion and stored the JSL autobackup.tbk file on the F: drive as specified in the default JSL filename OPTIONSPREFERENCESSYSTEMAUTOBACKUPADVANCED but again, JSL without the date/time embedded in the filename. JK When it is a task in the Scheduler, right click and 'Execute task now'. JK Here, autobackup with notification made in the Scheduler, the filename is JK just ab.tbk. But when I point at this file there is a pop up with date and JK size. I appreciate your suggestion but I'll probably just abandon the idea of automatic or scheduled TB! backups as I manually backup the entire C: drive to the F: drive using Acronis every Saturday. In addition, I also subscribe to Carbonite which automatically (in the background) keeps my entire C: drive backed up off-site in real time. I'm a little concerned however about your mention of your backup being called ab.tbk. IIRC ab stands for address book. Are you sure you're backing up everything in TB! or is it just the address book? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Backup progress window
Hello Jos, Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 3:09:37 PM, you wrote: JK Hello Jack, JK Wednesday, June 4, 2008, 4:03:16 PM, you wrote: JSL I appreciate your suggestion but I'll probably just abandon the idea JSL of automatic or scheduled TB! backups as I manually backup the entire JSL C: drive to the F: drive using Acronis every Saturday. In addition, I JSL also subscribe to Carbonite which automatically (in the background) JSL keeps my entire C: drive backed up off-site in real time. JK Everybody his own system g. Here once a week with Drive Image C: to JK another partition and My Documents, including backups of some programs, on JK a DVD-RW. JSL I'm a little concerned however about your mention of your backup being JSL called ab.tbk. IIRC ab stands for address book. Are you sure you're JSL backing up everything in TB! or is it just the address book? JK Thanks for your concern, but it is a backup of _everything_in The Bat! I JK think here ab stands for automatic backup, but I don't remember if that JK was my or Schedulers choice... Oh jeeez! That, of course, never occurred to me. I can only refer back to my earlier comment about hiding my own Easter eggs. :GP: -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Copying to new machine w/Vista
Greetings TB! gurus, My wife just bought a new HP laptop which of course has Vista as an OS. I need to copy (not move) TB to her new machine keeping all her numerous emails intact. I searched the TBUDL archives and didn't find enough information to see me thru this. The desktop machine, as you can see from my sig, is running XP pro. I realize this should be doable by copying directories/files to a CD but don't know which directories/files to copy. I still have my latest downloaded update (thebat_home-3-99-3.msi) so presumably I could just load that file onto the new machine, yes? If that worked and TB ran on the new machine, which directories/files would I have to copy to retrieve all her emails and attachments? She has only a few filters so I can easily rebuild those. I know there are ways to do a machine/machine copy using a USB cable but I'm not familiar with that method either. If I missed this procedure in the archives somewhere, could someone point the the information? When mama's not happy, nobody's happy. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Copying to new machine w/Vista
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, June 24, 2008, 4:49:28 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Jack, TF I realise that Roelof has already replied, but I would do it TF completely differently from what he suggests and have also gone TF through the steps recently, moving TB! to a new computer: TF 1.) Make a full backup of TB! using the internal backup function. TF Click all options under Tools / Backup. - snip - Many thanks Thomas. Your suggestion seemed *slightly* easier (simpler to my addled brain) compared to Roelof's so I tried it your way. Everything seemed to work ok except apparently the backup doesn't copy the address books. Strange. I had to go back into the old machine to find and copy them separately. I then transferred them to the new machine without any problems. My wife is not as picky about how TB! operates as am I so she isn't bothered by stuff that would annoy the hell out of me. I may take Roelof's suggestion to upgrade to v4 on her machine however. In retrospect, Dan's suggestion might have worked better had I looked at it closer. In any case, she's up and running and that's all she cares about. I did find a problem(?) with transferring K9 over to her machine. Everything transferred ok including a separate copy of K9's large storage of emails but I never could get K9 to recognize that those emails were there. It just means that she'll have to re-educate K9 all over again but since neither of us has been receiving spam to the degree we were when I installed K9, it shouldn't be a problem. So, alls well that ends well. Thanks to all that helped in this endeavor. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply/macro/filter issue
Hello Tom, Thursday, June 26, 2008, 3:22:54 AM, you wrote: T Sorry, you are right, my quoting these addresses was incorrect. The address T appears as follows: T _Paul XYZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] T Paul-XYZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] T I think there was a third version but I cannot find it quickly. The T email address is the same but the way it is being presented prior to T the xxx is different (probably due to the way it is being set up in T Paul's email program and this seems to cause my little issue here. T Hope this makes it clearer Unless I'm missing something, which is quite frequently the case, it looks like you're trying to prevent your replies from including the dashes or underscores in the reply salutation. If I've guessed correctly, it looks like this is a job for a properly constructed RegExp which would automagically trim those characters from your reply salutation. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no knowledge on how to construct/use RegExps but there are others on this amazing list who do. The only reason I can think of for why someone would include odd characters in their name is that they might be trying to track the origins of subsequent spam. Hope I haven't clouded the issue any further. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
AVG notification of virus check
Hello one and all, Is it possible to get TB! to include a message from my AVG anti-virus that an outgoing/incoming message has been checked for viruses? The AVG plug-in for TB! seems to be installed. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG notification of virus check
Hello Eric, Friday, July 4, 2008, 2:53:34 PM, you wrote: E On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 13:30:03 -0500 GMT(04/07/2008, 19:30 E + GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL Is it possible to get TB! to include a message from my JSL AVG anti-virus that an outgoing/incoming message has JSL been checked for viruses? The AVG plug-in for TB! seems JSL to be installed. E How well do people find their AVG filters work with The E Bat!? E I've just moved to AVG8 and, though the virus filtering E seems to work, the spam filter clearly doesn't. Well, guess what... Apparently I DON'T have the AVG plug-in for TB! Thanks to Luc's reply I looked in TB!'s OPTIONSPREFERENCESPLUGINS and there's nothing there. I checked AVG's website and couldn't find anything regarding plugins. Maybe it's because I'm using AVG's free virus protection? As far as spam filtering, I use K9 (http://keir.net/k9.html) and have had for quite some time. It seems to work ok and when initially installed I used to get a few incoming messages marked as spam by K9, but the quantity of those has dropped off considerably. I MIGHT get one message marked as spam per week but not usually. I have no idea why the number of incoming spam messages would have dropped off like that but since I do get the occasional spam message (marked by K9) I assume K9 is still working. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG notification of virus check
Hello Luc, Friday, July 4, 2008, 3:18:55 PM, you wrote: L Good afternoon Jack, L L It was foretold that on 04/07/2008 @ 13:30:03 GMT-0500 (which was L 15:30:03 where I live) Jack S. LaRosa would write: Is it possible to get TB! to include a message from my AVG anti-virus that an outgoing/incoming message has been checked for viruses? The AVG plug-in for TB! seems to be installed. L That's in the configure panel of the plug-in: E-mail scanner -- L certification. The default message should already be there L L As you'll see in my reply to Eric, apparently I DON'T have the plugin for AVG. However, to further confuse my addled brain I notice in OPTIONS/PREFERENCES/PROTECTION/ANTI_VIRUS TB! lists avgbat.bav which is in the C:\PROGRAM FILESAVG folder, as an installed plugin. But when I look in OPTIONS/PREFERENCES/PLUG-INS there's nothing there. If I click on ADD from there and navigate to the AVG folder in PROGRAM FILES, there is no file matching what TB! wants as a plug-in (*.TBP) I know AVG is working because when I tried some experiments with the EICAR pseudo-virus, I can't send any messages with it as an attachment. I even tried with my Gmail and Yahoo accounts with no success in sending it. So, from those experiments I conclude AVG is working. If anybody can shed any light on this it would be greatly appreciated. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG notification of virus check
Good morning Luc, Friday, July 4, 2008, 6:27:11 PM, you wrote: L Good evening Jack, L L It was foretold that on 04/07/2008 @ 18:09:16 GMT-0500 (which was L 20:09:16 where I live) Jack S. LaRosa would write: L snipped a bit As you'll see in my reply to Eric, apparently I DON'T have the plugin for AVG. However, to further confuse my addled brain I notice in OPTIONS/PREFERENCES/PROTECTION/ANTI_VIRUS TB! lists avgbat.bav which is in the C:\PROGRAM FILESAVG folder, as an installed plugin. But when I look in OPTIONS/PREFERENCES/PLUG-INS there's nothing there. If I click on ADD from there and navigate to the AVG folder in PROGRAM FILES, there is no file matching what TB! wants as a plug-in (*.TBP) L To follow up on my reply for the avg plugin you need to add that L in the section anti-virus because it need to be a .bav extension L for the antivirus plugin... otherwise the bat won't recognize it (i L think) L TBP is for an anti-spam pluginwhich is in the anti-spam section... Unfortunately, when you go to the PLUGINS/ADD dialog box, TB! defaults to *.tbp as a file-type and you CAN'T change it. Even if you navigate to the AVG folder and you KNOW the .bav file exists there, it won't show up because of that TB! file-type specification (*.tbp). When I first started looking for this plugin I used Windows Explorer to look at the contents of the AVG folder. I assumed I was looking for a file which would contain the letters bat in the file name. I found a file called AVGBAT.BAV which I assumed was the plugin I was looking for. However, as mentioned in the previous paragraph, TB! won't even display that file because it doesn't match the *.tbp file TB! is looking for as a plugin. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG notification of virus check
Hello Luc, Saturday, July 5, 2008, 11:56:30 AM, you wrote: L Good afternoon Jack, L To follow up on my previous answer... L If you still have problems, open the avconfig.ini file in your L Program Files\The Bat\Mail\ directory (your path may differ from L mine) and check if you have: L [Checkers] L Count=1 L Checker #1=TAVDLLPlugin.%EXEDRIVE%\Program Files\Grisoft\avgbat.bav Well, the avconfig.ini file was where it was supposed to be and it contains: snipped for brevity [Checkers] Count=1 Checker #1=TAVDLLPlugin.%EXEDRIVE%\Program Files\AVG\AVG8\avgbat.bav As you can see the [Checkers] entry contains the file path to my avgbat.bav file which on my computer is correct. I checked the configuration in TB! for the plugin and it's ticked where it says to include the No virus found in this incoming message and No virus found in this outgoing message, yet when I send myself an email, no such messages appear either in the outgoing or incoming message. Have I exceeded your annoyance threshold yet? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Move message on exit
Hello one and all, I've set up a folder for all incoming messages from my wife so that I can save her some time and print what she sends me. I have a daughter folder under her folder to permanently store everything she send me after I've printed the contents. I've been manually moving the messages to the daughter folder but wondered if there was someway to get TB! to do it for me on exit from TB! I looked in folder properties but don't see any easy (or hard for that matter) way to do it. Anybody? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move message on exit
Hello Miguel, Monday, July 21, 2008, 1:02:04 PM, you wrote: M Hello Jack, I've been manually moving the messages to the daughter folder but wondered if there was someway to get TB! to do it for me on exit from TB! I looked in folder properties but don't see any easy (or hard for that matter) way to do it. Anybody? M Explore the possibilities of folder Properties/Deletion. Tick the box M for 'Use folder specific deletion settings' and you will see the M possibilities that are available. I use alternate deletion to move 'old' M messages to move them to an archive folder. That works ok except I have to click on the trash icon to get the messages to move. Call me lazy but I was hoping for an automatic move on closing TB! Thanks for the help though. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Now running TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move message on exit
Hello Rick, Monday, July 21, 2008, 2:24:31 PM, you wrote: Hello Miguel, Monday, July 21, 2008, 1:02:04 PM, you wrote: M Hello Jack, I've been manually moving the messages to the daughter folder but wondered if there was someway to get TB! to do it for me on exit from TB! I looked in folder properties but don't see any easy (or hard for that matter) way to do it. Anybody? M Explore the possibilities of folder Properties/Deletion. Tick the box M for 'Use folder specific deletion settings' and you will see the M possibilities that are available. I use alternate deletion to move 'old' M messages to move them to an archive folder. That works ok except I have to click on the trash icon to get the messages to move. Call me lazy but I was hoping for an automatic move on closing TB! R You're not dead yet. In the folder properties, set Keep the messages R in the base for 0 days (zero). Not EXACTLY what you want ... R Stay tuned though - there are some very knowledgeable people on this R list. Wow. Logically you'd have thought that would've worked... but it doesn't. Thanks for trying though. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move message on exit
Hello Roelof, Monday, July 21, 2008, 4:06:47 PM, you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:43:26 -0500GMT (21-7-2008, 19:43 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: JSL I've set up a folder for all incoming messages from my wife so JSL that I can save her some time and print what she sends me. I JSL have a daughter folder under her folder to permanently store JSL everything she sends me after I've printed the contents. RO Just wondering. RO Why don't you print everything automatically on receipt with the same RO filter that moves the message. That way you don't have to print and RO move the message manually. RO Eight years ago I switched to TB because it was the only mail client I RO could find that was able to print messages on a filter action. Ordinarily that would be a good idea and I thank you for it but, each message from her may contain simple text, HTML, a Word document or MS Excell or all of the above. Therefore, each 'message' has to be handled individually and usually differently from the previous. Miguel's suggestion works out best so far. When I'm finished processing all the messages I select all and click the trash can which moves them to the daughter folder. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Move message on exit
Hello Stefan, Thursday, July 31, 2008, 5:40:25 AM, you wrote: ST Hello Jack, JSL Wow. Logically you'd have thought that would've worked... but it JSL doesn't. Thanks for trying though. ST Actually, everything works as it should, the trick is to read settings ST carefully.When you click the Trash icon, the normal deletion is ST used. When you purge messages, the alternative deletion is used by ST default. If you want both actions to have the same effect, you should ST uncheck the Use alternative deletion for purge option at the ST Deletion page and configure the normal deletion to move messages to ST the archive folder. Thanks for the help Stefan but what I finally did was to follow Miguel's suggestion. I handle all the different printing function requirements from within her incoming folder and when all are finished printing, I click on the trash icon and all are then moved to the 'completed' daughter folder. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
One time encryption
Fellow list members, I need to send credit card info to a vendor in payment for a part yet to be shipped. Is there an easy way to encrypt the info so it can't be read if it's intercepted in transit and yet *can* be read by the recipient? Or am I worrying about nothing? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hello Privateofcourse, Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 5:21:19 AM, you wrote: P Hello Jack, P This is what you said on Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:23:31 -0500 your time: Is there an easy way to encrypt the info so it can't be read if it's intercepted in transit and yet *can* be read by the recipient? P Mostly, any secure system would require that the receiving part had a P key/password to unlock the information that you send them. -snip-- P Certainly not. I think it is completely sensible to think about these things P and find solutions for them. Thanks Simon. Please see the response from Gene Brown. I tend to get un-realistically paranoid at times. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hello Nick, Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 6:00:49 AM, you wrote: ND Hello Jack, ND On Monday, September 15, 2008, you wrote: JSL I need to send credit card info to a vendor in payment for a part yet JSL to be shipped. Is there an easy way to encrypt the info so it can't be JSL read if it's intercepted in transit and yet *can* be read by the JSL recipient? Or am I worrying about nothing? ND Some people, myself included, think that the anonymity offered by the ND sheer scale of the Internet outweighs the risk of identifying your ND message as interesting by including an easy to spot encryption ND header or similar. Some people allege that governments only filter ND encrypted traffic, on the assumption that that's how terrorists are ND communicating. On that subject, I don't think that the government ND needs to snoop my e-mail to get my CC details, or anything else for ND that matter... ND Once you turn over this stone, however, it's not long before you're ND employing steganography and by the end of the week you'll be sleeping ND under the bed with a gun! ND Oh no, now you've got me started. Sorry. See! Now THAT'S what I'm talkin 'bout!:) Now, where'd I put that darned gun -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hello Gene, Monday, September 15, 2008, 7:53:21 PM, you wrote: GB On Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:23:31 PM, you wrote: Or am I worrying about nothing? GB Maybe I've naive, but I've never had a problem with doing this. If GB you send your credit card number to the vendor, what happens to it GB after that? How does the vendor secure it? GB When I use a credit card in a restaurant, I give it to the waiter GB and he disappears for several minutes. Does he have a buddy back in GB the kitchen who collects these numbers for resale? I don't know, but GB I don't worry about it. GB Is the internet really any riskier than how I use the card every GB day? It's called Web Paranoia and it's probably completely un-justified. You're right in everything you say. Ultimately, we decided to just conduct the transaction over the phone, a cell phone yet. Probably being eavesdropped upon (cell phone paranoia). -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
Hello Tim, Saturday, September 27, 2008, 7:00:38 PM, you wrote: TH Hello TBUDL, TH My confirm receipt and reading confirmation is useless. It has never TH worked. Are there any fixes for this. My Outlook works like a champ TH but not so with TB. For what it's worth, I submit #20 contained herein: http://www.emailreplies.com/#9capitals -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
Hello Thomas, Monday, September 29, 2008, 11:43:42 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Jack, TF On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 16:27:41 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 04:27 +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: TH My confirm receipt and reading confirmation is useless. It has never TH worked. Are there any fixes for this. My Outlook works like a champ TH but not so with TB. JSL For what it's worth, I submit #20 contained herein: JSL http://www.emailreplies.com/#9capitals TF These receipt/read confirmations make sense in business, if an agent TF or supplier is not answering their mails. I request the confirmations TF in the reminder. Once I get the reply from their server or client, I TF know that the message was at least received and he has no excuse if he TF didn't actually read it. If I get no confirmation back, I call or fax TF and ask whether my mail is stuck in their spam folder. I've never used receipt/read confirmations so I'm un-familiar with their operation. However, I've always assumed that they required some action on the part of the recipient. But your reply seems to indicate that there's some receipt (but not read) confirmation which is carried out automatically by the server or the mail client itself, invisible to the recipient. Am I misinterpreting what you wrote? -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 9:27:25 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Jack, TF On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:10:54 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 21:10 +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL I've never used receipt/read confirmations so I'm un-familiar with JSL their operation. However, I've always assumed that they required some JSL action on the part of the recipient. But your reply seems to indicate JSL that there's some receipt (but not read) confirmation which is carried JSL out automatically by the server or the mail client itself, invisible JSL to the recipient. Am I misinterpreting what you wrote? TF No, you got it right. These are two different confirmations: TF 1. The receipt confirmation requests the server to confirm receipt of TF the message. This can be turned on or off by the sysad and is out of TF control of the recipient. TF 2. The read confirmation is sent by the recipient's email client, and TF the recipient can set his email client to send, not send, or request TF action by the recipient. I love this list. Thanks Thomas. I recently had occasion to wonder if a recipient at least received an email, but not concerned with whether they had read it. I'll try and set up TB! to request receipt confirmations from now on. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 7:11:32 PM, you wrote: TF Hello Jack, TF On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 10:20:27 -0500 GMT (30/09/2008, 22:20 +0700 GMT), TF Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL Thanks Thomas. I recently had occasion to wonder if a recipient at JSL least received an email, but not concerned with whether they had read JSL it. I'll try and set up TB! to request receipt confirmations from now JSL on. TF Use with care. It is annoying if I get a pop-up for each message from TF a certain customer. It would be better to use it only when necessary, TF for example when sending a reminder. Well, I was thinking in terms of a receipt confirmation rather than a read confirmation. Yesterday I was able to configure TB! to request a receive confirmation and in fact did get one from a message I had sent. The confirmation text was as follows: Your message was successfully delivered to its final destination. This is a notification of that fact, as you requested. Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you feel this message to be in error. I should point out for the benefit of others on this list that although I sent more than one email yesterday, I received a receipt confirmation from only one recipient's server. Coincidentally(?) he and I use the same server. My interest in this is mostly a curiosity of TB!'s myriad abilities as I no longer have a need for confirmations of any sort. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9-v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tb! loosing focus
Hello Luc, Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:50:13 PM, you wrote: L Good afternoon list, L Maybe this is already asked and answered but here it goes: L when i click on a link in a message to open it in my browser, the L browser opens thus hiding TB! L It's annoying because i want to load the page but keep reading my L messages... is this a setting in TB! ? L Why not reduce the size of the browser window enough to allow you to see the necessary part(s) of TB? The browser window would still be visible but smaller and you could then move it so that you could see what you needed in TB. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Help-Partial message loss!
Fellow list members, My wife had messages dated from 10-31 to 11-13 disappear from her inbox. All other messages seem to be there. There are only 5 messages currently residing in the inbox with a received date of Nov. and all were from yesterday the 14th. I did a search of *all* TB! folders for the string Bob in the header because she remembers a message having come from Bob yesterday the 14th but it couldn't be found. I looked on her C: drive in the folder called The Bat! contained in the program files folder but I don't see anything in the The Bat! folder which would seem to contain all messages. I use Carbonite as a backup for this computer so presumably Carbonite has a copy of the missing messages but again, I can't see where they're stored. The Carbonite The Bat! folder contains exactly the same things as the The Bat! folder on her C: drive. Where does TB! keep all it's messages? Assuming the location of the messages is known, can I simply copy the messages from the Carbonite backup to the same location on her C: drive? Her computer is running the Vista OS with version 3.99.3 of TB! installed. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello MFPA, Saturday, November 15, 2008, 9:26:37 AM, you wrote: M Hi M On Saturday 15 November 2008 at 2:36:40 PM, in M mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jack S. LaRosa wrote: My wife had messages dated from 10-31 to 11-13 disappear from her inbox. All other messages seem to be there. There are only 5 messages currently residing in the inbox with a received date of Nov. and all were from yesterday the 14th. M Strange. And worrying. I take it not accidentally deleted and residing M in the trash folder? Or in the folder they disappeared from if not M compressed since - check by selecting browse deleted messages from M the folder menu. When I try that I get There are no deleted messages in this message base. M [...] I looked on her C: drive in the folder called The Bat! contained in the program files folder but I don't see anything in the The Bat! folder which would seem to contain all messages. M I think in very early versions of TB! the mail was there. Since I M discovered TB! at version 2.x the default has been %appdata%\The Bat!, M which might even equate to %email%. For each mail folder you should M find a messages.tbb and messages.tbi file (different extensions if you M use OTFE). The TBB file is the message base and the TBI is the index The folder %appdata% contains nothing relating to TB! and the folder %email% doesn't exist. I'm assuming both folders should be accessed from Windows Explorer which is how I searched the %appdata% folder. I use Carbonite as a backup for this computer so presumably Carbonite has a copy of the missing messages M I know nothing about carbonite but I would expect so if a backup was M made when the messages were present, unless the backup was overwritten M since they disappeared. Understood, and a concern since Carbonite backs up everything OTF. Assuming the location of the messages is known, can I simply copy the messages from the Carbonite backup to the same location on her C: drive? M I would suggest renaming the message.tbb and .tbi files currently in M the folder (in case you need to revert to them) and copying the ones M from your backup into the folder, then firing up TB! and seeing what M messages you have. Love to try it if I can ever locate the messages. Thanks for trying to help. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello MFPA, Wait a minute, I may have found where the messages are stored. I have to go to her computer to check. Back in a few minutes -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello MFPA, Something very strange here. If I look in *my* computer under PROGRAM FILES-THE BAT! there is a folder called MAIL which when opened shows folders for all accounts. If an account folder is opened it shows everything pertaining to that account including .TBB and .TBI folders. However, on my wife's computer the MAIL folder is completely missing even though TB seems to function normally. Now I don't understand how TB would continue to work without her MAIL folder. I'll check the Carbonite backup for her missing MAIL folder. I'll write back with an update. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Fellow list members, With everyone's help here's what I've found so far: On her computer running Vista I found a folder called The Bat! which is located in C:\USERS\JUNE\APPDATA\ROAMING (her name is June). This folder contains all the folders in her account with all the .TBB and .TBI folders in each sub-folder. If I move the entire The Bat! folder to the desktop (to protect it) and then import the same folder from the Carbonite backup into the C:\USERS\JUNE\APPDATA\ROAMING folder and then launch TB, TB looks just like a new installation but with her account present. However, there's nothing IN her account. None of her user-created sub-folders are there. It makes it look as if TB! had never been used. I even tried the same procedure with the individual .TBB folders with the same result ie, new account with nothing in it. Apparently TB stores other needed parameters elsewhere other than in the The Bat! folder. Perhaps the registry? Before anyone thinks of me as a dunderhead, yes, I did set up TB when I installed it to do automatic backups. However, dunderhead that I am, I set it up to perform the automatic backups only every seven days. Doh! I now have set it to perform the autobackup every day. The horse is gone but the barn door is now locked. I do not currently see any way out of this dilemma and must consider her wrath when she I tell her I goofed. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello Peter, Saturday, November 15, 2008, 1:42:16 PM, you wrote: PM Hi Jack, PM on Sat, 15 Nov 2008 11:35:01 -0600GMT(15.11.2008, 18:35 +0100GMT here), PM you wrote: JSL [where is TB!'s mail directory?] PM You can check and set this in The Bat! under Options - Preferences - PM System - Mail Directory That would have been handy to know, and I appreciate the info, but as you can see from my other posts, knowing where those files are doesn't help. If you restore them from an off-site backup, TB thinks it's a new installation. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello Jeff, Saturday, November 15, 2008, 2:02:32 PM, you wrote: JG Hello List, JG On Saturday, November 15, 2008, 7:41:32 PM, Jack wrote: Apparently TB stores other needed parameters elsewhere other than in the The Bat! folder. Perhaps the registry? JG Yes indeed, in: JG HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT JG I backup the folders and then export the registry tree nightly using a JG batch file containing: JG C:\windows\regedit.exe /e thebat.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT Facinating! Whoda thunk it! But let me make sure I understand what you're doing here. Your command line seems to indicate that the /e switch causes REGEDIT to launch and automatically create a file called thebat.reg which will contain the key called HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT, correct? If so, where is this file stored since no drive or directory(folder) is specified? On the other hand, if you have TB perform an automatic backup every night doesn't that make your efforts unnecessary? I am assuming that restoring TB from a TB backup, from within TB automatically takes care of the registry info. On the third hand, if I were to import the entire The Bat! folder from the off-site Carbonite backup couldn't I also import the registry? I assume the registry is a file contained somewhere within the bowels of Vista and if so, may be contained in the Carbonite backup. JG If your backup seems to contain these missing messages can you import JG them from the tools menu? Well, I'm not sure. I have not tried using the import function in the TOOLS menu to access the Carbonite backup. That's a possibility and I'll try it. I'm too old for all this. I long for the days when you could open the hood(bonnet) of a car and see the ground on both sides of the engine. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help-Partial message loss!
Hello Jeff, Saturday, November 15, 2008, 4:36:35 PM, you wrote: JG Hello List, JG On Saturday, November 15, 2008, 9:43:28 PM, Jack wrote: But let me make sure I understand what you're doing here. Your command line seems to indicate that the /e switch causes REGEDIT to launch and automatically create a file called thebat.reg which will contain the key called HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT, correct? If so, where is this file stored since no drive or directory(folder) is specified? JG It save the reg file in the directory the batch file was launched JG from. Oh, ok. On the other hand, if you have TB perform an automatic backup every night doesn't that make your efforts unnecessary? I am assuming that restoring TB from a TB backup, from within TB automatically takes care of the registry info. JG The backup save the Bat directory and its sub folders. JG After a Windows re-install the original directory is still there (it's JG on the D drive) so I just double click the previous night's reg file JG and I'm back in business. If for any reason the original is lost or JG corrupt I can just copy it back from the backup. Do you mean your TB is installed and runs on the D: drive, not the C:drive? On the third hand, if I were to import the entire The Bat! folder from the off-site Carbonite backup couldn't I also import the registry? I assume the registry is a file contained somewhere within the bowels of Vista and if so, may be contained in the Carbonite backup. JG That's not an easy thing to do. The registry is being read/written to JG several times a second so it's been updated many times by the time you JG log on. You can't over-write it with a backup (except in safe mode you JG can boot from a previous good copy) and regedit only reads the live JG registry. Well, that's good to know. But doesn't REGEDIT's export/import function overwrite the registry when you import from a previously exported registry file? Well, I'm not sure. I have not tried using the import function in the TOOLS menu to access the Carbonite backup. That's a possibility and I'll try it. JG You need to do that before your backup is over-written by the missing JG messages version. Too late. Since I have Carbonite configured to backup on-the-fly (recommended by Carbonite) it seems it's already been overwritten. I have posted an email query to Carbonite tech support for their opinion on all this. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Autobackup while 'asleep'
Fellow list members, Because of differences between computers and operating systems, I am unsure if this question can be answered with any certainty. Since my recent debacle with messages disappearing (in defense of TB, they went missing after a crash while TB was still open) I have set up TB to perform automatic backups daily at 0200hrs. This on an HP laptop running Vista Home Premium. This laptop automatically goes to 'sleep' whenever the lid is folded closed. So, my question is: Will TB 'wake up' the computer (even though the lid is closed) and perform it's backup? This AM was the first time the automatic backup was performed and it should have started at the scheduled time. However, when my wife opened the computer at around 0730hrs, the backup was still in progress. Did it not start until the computer was opened or has it actually been running since 0200hrs? She may have a total of 2500 messages in the entire account spread over several folders. -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Leave messages on server
Fellow list members, Under ACCOUNT/PROPERTIES/MAIL MANAGEMENT there exists in the MAIL MESSAGES box a check circle to 'Leave messages on server'. Below that there is a check box to 'Keep messages on server for and then another box to select the number of days. Through experimentation I have found that if you elect to 'Keep messages on server for x days, the account log shows, after a fetch, x messages on server, y new. So apparently, at least on my server (Charter Cable) messages that have already been downloaded are kept and only new messages are actually downloaded on every subsequent fetch. The question is -- What happens after the x days have elapsed? Are ALL the messages on the server deleted or only those over x days old? The second question is -- If I needed to re-fetch a message that had already been downloaded ie, no longer 'new', can I get TB to do it somehow or do I have to visit the server from my browser to see it or try to forward it to myself? -- TIA, Jack LaRosa mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Conveying information with The Bat! ver: 3.99.3 Operating? with Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leave messages on server
Hello Marek, Monday, November 17, 2008, 2:00:28 PM, you wrote: MM Hello all, MM Monday, November 17, 2008, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: The question is -- What happens after the x days have elapsed? Are ALL the messages on the server deleted or only those over x days old? MM if You set 0 for example and check server tomorrow (from 00:00 next day), MM all todays and older messages will be removed only. If You set 1, all MM messages older than 1 day will be removed only. The second question is -- If I needed to re-fetch a message that had already been downloaded ie, no longer 'new', can I get TB to do it somehow or do I have to visit the server from my browser to see it or try to forward it to myself? MM Yes, You can use Message Dispatcher in Account menu to see what messages MM are stored on server and select them for receive or delete without MM receiving for example. Thank you Marek. Your description of how messages are deleted from the server is as I hoped it was. I tried Message Dispatcher and it works exactly as you described. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
