Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-23 Thread Eagle 1

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Maybe the government really did find it,  and that's what they are calling
the "HAARP"   ???
h?

eagle 1

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 I think the term Arc comes from Arktos..that is the Northern Pole
 star..Around it is the Great Bear and the little bear. Both SEven star
 system and a reflection of each other.. The  swastika is a representation
of
 this albeit an opposite.. So the ARC therefore must be at the pole to have
 full powerhehe..

 Peter

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  Uh huh...
 
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  It mattersits a way to communicate with the gods or God.
 

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Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-23 Thread Eagle 1

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Oh,  and I thought that the Smithsonian had it,  just like they told it in
the story of the "Raider's of the Lost Ark"...  and I thought that EVERYONE
knew that!:-)
LOL

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 Why, everyone KNOWS that the Nazis discovered the Ark of the Covenant and
 hid it in a mineshaft in Bavaria along with the Spear of Longinus and
 Hitler's foreskin. These treasures were subsequently recovered by a
special
 U.S. Army unit following the German surrender, and they are now held in a
 tightly guarded warehouse of the National Archives in Arlington,
Virginia...

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  David Rupp wrote:
  
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   Someone just sent this link to another list that I read:
   http://www.fine-art.com/Steadman/ark.txt
   It seems that the Ark has been located and it's in the hands of the
  Israeli
   government. I'm sure that most of us can rest easy now, and JAH can
find
  a
   new crusade. Good luck!
  
   David Rupp
   Get caught up in The Web of Fate at
   http://pages.whowhere.com/arts/david.rupp/home.html.
 
  I beg to differ. It is not in the hands of the Israelis. It is in
  a wooden box in a HUGE government warehouse somewhere in the USA.
 
  Joshua2 ;}

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[CTRL] Posts to alt.conspiracy

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Re: [CTRL] Copiers used to Track us? Maybe!

1999-11-23 Thread Tsadowq

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In a message dated 11/22/1999 3:57:38 PM Mountain
Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 The answer from a Xerox repair technician is, "I don't know if that
is being done but with a digital color copy machine, IT IS POSSIBLE."

Also, you can't make a copy in Kinkos without being caught
live on video tape. There is literally a camera on every single
copying machine, work desk, sales counter, computer station

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[CTRL] raiders of the lost city

1999-11-23 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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Sunday Times- London

November 21 1999 BRITAIN




Dead Sea sub dives for lost city of Sodom


Jonathan Leake, Science Editor





SODOM, the biblical world's most sinful city, is about to get its first
visitor since Lot left in haste as it was destroyed by heavenly fire 4,000
years ago.
A British researcher will this week venture to the bottom of the Dead Sea -
where Sodom's remains are thought to lie - in a mini-submarine.

Michael Sanders, a Leeds-born biblical scholar, has found what appears to be
the remains of the city under the surface of the Dead Sea by studying
satellite pictures taken by the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration (Nasa). His findings have been backed by the Dead Sea
research unit from Tel Aviv University, whose scholars are on site with him.


"We are about to embark on our first dive. Finding the biblical city of
Sodom would be the greatest achievement of my life," he said last week.

The dives come just as the British Museum prepares to announce the results
of its research in the area, which appears to confirm that Sodom was located
there. A team excavating a Byzantine church has found what is thought to be
the legendary Cave of Lot hidden behind it.

According to the Bible, Lot and his daughters took refuge in a cave while
Sodom lay smouldering. It was there, thinking they were the last people on
Earth, that they decided to start a new generation.

To most people, including archeologists, the biblical story of Lot, Sodom
and Gomorrah is metaphorical, a warning to sinful humans from the authors of
Genesis. No satisfactory archeological evidence of the five lost cities of
the plain, of which Sodom and Gomorrah were two, has ever been unearthed.

Other scholars, however, including Sanders, believe Sodom and Gomorrah not
only existed but that they were also probably destroyed in a catastrophe
about 5,000 years ago and that their ruins were engulfed beneath the salty
waters of the Dead Sea.

Sanders's findings are supported by Dr John Whitaker, a geologist at the
University of Leicester, who has found strong evidence of a powerful
earthquake in the area at that time.

He said in a research paper: "Their remains have not been found because they
are now under water. The total disappearance of the Vale of Siddim and its
cities beneath the lake would explain the lack of archeological evidence.
Further underwater exploration could be revealing."

Sanders believes the remains of the ancient cities are to be found off the
northwest shore of the Dead Sea, about 10 miles south of Jericho.

The orange Delta mini-submarine, on hire at a cost of almost £5,000 a day,
was the one used to explore the wreck of the Lusitania.

The 10ft-long, 6ft-high vessel was flown into Israel from California last
weekend. It holds two people and can stay submerged under hundreds of feet
of water for up to three days, but the team will be making only short dives.


Sanders watched on Friday as the vessel was winched aboard a barge at the
Ein Gedi oasis in preparation for its journey to the northern shore.

The Dead Sea may be only about 200 metres deep, but Sanders is diving into
murky diplomatic waters. The northwest corner of the sea is in the West
Bank, which was ruled by Jordan until the six-day war in 1967 and has been
under Israeli military occupation ever since. Now the Palestinians have
claimed it for their nascent independent state. The expedition therefore had
to be cleared with the Israeli army, the Jordanians and the Palestinians -
and if Sanders does find anything down there, there will be a diplomatic
battle over ownership.

Not everyone is as convinced as Sanders, however. Dr David Neev, a respected
Israeli geologist, has dedicated much of his life to the scientific study of
the Dead Sea and its surroundings. He rejects Sanders's thesis that Sodom
and Gomorrah are lying at the bottom of the northern end of the Dead Sea.

"The Bible is not always reliable in its chronology, but its geographical
descriptions have always turned out to be perfect. According to the Bible
the towns of Sodom and Gomorrah were located at the south end of the Dead
Sea, next to Mount Sedom and a long way from Sanders's site," said Neev

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[CTRL] Now for ANC Maths

1999-11-23 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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9.  MATHS, SCIENCE `STILL EXCLUSIVE': PRETORIA NEWS, 19991118, P.6 -
Mathematics and science education still remain in the exclusive
preserve of the historically advantaged, Deputy Education Minister
Smangaliso Mkhatshwa said yesterday.  He was speaking at a function of
the Foundation of Education, Science and Technology (Fest) in the
city.  He added that the field of science in SA was facing a crisis.
"The situation is exacerbated by the perceived neutrality of these
fields.  The common perception is that these fields of inquiry are not
related to the political and socio-economic context," Fr Mkhatshwa
said.  "This is a challenge that any attempt to promoting and
understanding culture, science and technology must overcome. One way
of promoting the goals of African Renaissance is to make indigenous
experiences and knowledge part of parcel of our new curricula and
learning materials."

---


New maths.

Power + ANC+ Previously disadvantaged= corruption + Hatred previously
advantaged

Is this an irreversible reaction. Discuss

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Re: [CTRL] PROJECT MEGIDDO

1999-11-23 Thread nessie

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http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/5.html

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[CTRL] [endsecrecy] NSA/ATT

1999-11-23 Thread lloyd

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..

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Subject: [endsecrecy] NSA/ATT
Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 1:11 AM

NSA Patents New
Technology To Monitor
Millions Of Phones Calls
By Suelette Dreyfus
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/Digital/Features/spies151199.shtml
11-17-99

Found on:
http://www.sightings.com/politics5/nsapatent_p.htm


The US National Security Agency has designed and patented a new technology
that could aid it in spying on international telephone calls. The NSA
patent, granted on 10 August, is for a system of automatic topic spotting
and labelling of data. The patent officially confirms for the first time
that the NSA has been working on ways of automatically analysing human
speech.

The NSA's invention is intended automatically to sift through human speech
transcripts in any language. The patent document specifically mentions
"machine-transcribed speech" as a potential source.

Bruce Schneier, author of Applied Cryptography, a textbook on the science of
keeping information secret, believes the NSA currently has the ability to
use computers to transcribe voice conversations.

"One of the holy grails of the NSA is the ability automatically to search
through voice traffic. They would have expended considerable effort on this
capability, and this indicates it has been fruitful," he said.

To date, it has been widely believed that while the NSA has the capability
to conduct fully automated, mass electronic eavesdropping on e-mail, faxes
and other written communications, it cannot do so on telephone calls.

While cautioning that it was difficult to tell how well the ideas in the
patent worked in practice, Schneier said the technology could have
far-reaching effects on the privacy of international phone calls.

"If it works well, the technology makes it possible for the NSA to harvest
millions of telephone calls, looking for certain types of conversations," he
said.

"It's easy to eavesdrop on any single phone call, but sifting through
millions of phone calls looking for a particular conversation is difficult,"
Schneier explained. "In terms of automatic surveillance, text is easier to
search than speech. This patent brings the surveillance of speech closer to
that of text."

The NSA declined to comment on the patent. As a general policy, the agency
never comments on its intelligence activities.

Yaman Akdeniz, director of Cyber-Rights  Cyber-Liberties UK, warned that
with the new patentand a proposed ATT and BT joint venture, which will
allow US law enforcement agencies to tap the new communications network: "We
might have a picture in which all British communications are monitored by
the NSA."

The revelation of the NSA's patent is likely to cause tensions with the
European Parliament. Over the past two years, the Parliament has
commissioned several reports which examined whether the NSA has been using
its electronic ears for commercial espionage, particularly in areas where US
corporations compete with European and other companies.

The NSA relies on an international web of eavesdropping stations around the
world, commonly known as Echelon, to listen into private international
communications. The network emerged from a secret agreement signed after the
Second World War between five nations including Australia, New Zealand,
Canada, Britain and the US. Two of the NSA's most important satellite
listening stations are located in Europe, at Menwith Hill in Yorkshire and
Bad Aibling in Germany.

Julian Assange, a cryptographer who moderates the online Australian
discussion forum AUCRYPTO, found the new patent while investigating NSA
capabilities.

"This patent should worry people. Everyone's overseas phone calls are or may
soon be tapped, transcribed and archived in the bowels of an unaccountable
foreign spy agency," he said.

One of the major barriers to using computers automatically to sift through
voice communications on a large scale has been the inability of machines to
"think" like humans when analysing the often imperfect computer
transcriptions of voice conversations.

Commercial software that enables computers to transcribe spoken words into
typed text is already on the market, but it usually requires the machine to
spend time learning how to understand an individual voice in order to
produce relatively error-free text. This makes such software impractical for
a spy agency which might want automatically to transcribe and analyse
telephone calls on a large scale.

It is also difficult for computers to analyse voice conversations because
human speech often covers topics that are never actually spoken by name.
According to the NSA patent application, "much of the information conveyed
in speech is never actually spoken and... utterances are frequently less
coherent than written language".

US Patent number 

[CTRL] sinkhole in Arizona

1999-11-23 Thread earthman

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Seems mighty interesting..

Peter

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hi Folks,

 There have been some intriguing posts from other
 lists to which I belong concerning the earthquakes in
 Turkey and alledged correlations i.e. a sinkhole in Arizona
 that keeps getting big with each California quake and also
 a report (have written for the source, but it may be in
 a foreign language)indicating a correspondence of faults.
 plates--was wondering if anyone else had heard about any of
 this.

 From one post (this is the one that I have written for
 the source--post is from Turkey):
 ".what the authorities say is the northern
 Anatolian fault is connecting with the fault in San Adrea fault
 in California in somehow! So also they noticed that they didn't
 expect 2 big quakes in very near time (3 months) also in very
 close km. So they are saying it is a beginning for a new
 formation about continents..Quake fault begin to crash from
 Turkey line...so it will crush towards west and lastly in
 America. Quake in Turkey will highlight many secret points in
 coming days."


 Post about sinkhole:
  There is a sinkhole in Sedona, Arisona (USA) which gets a little deeper
  every time there is an earthquake in Los Angeles, some 500 miles from
  there... Something usually happens within a week. That's what the people
  have noticed. I imagine that if you deal with an area with many fault
  lines, there could be some domino effect.

 Laurel



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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] The Committee of 300 is a fairy tale

1999-11-23 Thread Kris Millegan





From: "JP Viken" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

from: jpviken
When you control the system you can use black covert arts to create an
enemy, stilulate that enemy to fight you and then use that battle to set up
and elicit the attainment on your goals (e.g. repeated "burning of the
Reichstags--the social/mass construction of dissent to manufacture mass
consent. Its the oldest trick in the book of "black, deep cover, covert
arts"---a king once said, if your power is waning, have some of your
warriors dress up like a potential enemy and attack your people; this will
consolidate your power and stimulate a powerful supportive war consensus in
your kingdom! The internet was started by darpa (defense advanced research
projects  and all internet domain name titling is now through saic (who
specialized in remote viewing targeting cons during the desert storm irag
war ops). The internet is one of the greatest spy ops ever conceived by the
nsa  dia, even though it now helps us spread useful information in our
feeble attempt to preserve our sovereign republic. Ultimately we are doing
exactly what we are supposed to do.  Even the harassment we are subject to
is "just setting the hook deeper" to motivate us to do their manufacturing
of this controlled dissent so they can manufacture their consent.  Pretty
slick as far as sources and methods, hugh?
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From: David Kocot [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 11:17 PM
Subject: Re: [CIA-DRUGS] "The Committee of 300" is a fairy tale


 From: "David Kocot" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I have two questions regarding this "Committee of 300" stuff:

 1) are there seperate factions within the committee who compete against
each
 other in the quest for more power? As a student of history, I notice that
no
 matter how much wealth or power someone has, they always crave more, and
 that no balance of power withstands more than a few decades (if that
much) -
 one side always either overpowers the other or a third party unseats both.

 2) Why would any such organization allow the internet to exist, which
allows
 this information to spread freely all around the world? Don't they want to
 keep a lid on themselves to prevent discontent amongst we the sheeple?

 David Kocot
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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Monday, November 22, 1999 2:35 AM
 Subject: Re: [CIA-DRUGS] "The Committee of 300" is a fairy tale


 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Brian:
 
 We are all entitled to our own opinions, and I agree with you that the
 Bilderbergers  SKULL AND BONES groups ARE very real threats, but so is
the
 Committee of 300.
 
 It does exist... and Richmond Odom was right when he tied it in his
 thinking
 to China, Kosovo, KLA, etc. and the drugs, etc.
 
 There's too much evidence out there surrounding the "300" and it's power
 for
 it not to be 'real', even if it may be a "fairy tale" in your mind.
 
 We are going to see a lot more "action" from Russia  China in the
upcoming
 year as well. And it's not going to be very "nice"...
 
 - Tanina
 
 Subj:[CIA-DRUGS] "The Committee of 300" is a fairy tale
  Date:  11/22/1999 1:12:33 AM Eastern Standard Time
  From:  [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Downing Quig)
 
  Again the Committee of 300 is a fairy tale.  Do not take your eyes off
the
 Bilderbergers or in the UNITED STATES the SKULL AND BONES.
 
  Brian
 
  Linda Minor wrote:
 
   From: "Linda Minor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   Dave wrote:
   The IMF held a meeting in Hong Kong a few years ago which was
attended
 by
 a
   colleague of mine and he told me the seminar dealt with this very
 question.
   He informed me that the IMF agents told the meeting that they could
   literally cause a run on any country's currency, using narco-dollars,
 which
   would precipitate a flight of capital.
  
   Rainer-Gut, a Credit Suisse delegate
   and member of the Committee of 300, said he foresaw a situation where
   national credit and national financing would be under one umbrella
   organization by the turn of the century. While Rainer-Gut did not
spell
 it
   out, everybody at the seminar knew exactly what he was talking about.
  
   ==
   It's coincidences like this that convince me that God is helping us
out
   here.
   Yesterday I posted an excerpt from Philip Melanson's book on the King
   assassination,
   which included the following:
  
   Galt's background:
   He worked for Union Carbide of Canada Ltd. in Toronto beginning in
the
   early
   1950's and was still with them in 1968.  Since the early 60s he was
 working
   in a dept. at Union Carbide working on a super secret project called
 the
   proximity fuse for use in anti-aircraft shells.
  
   Then I went into the SEC archives to see if I recognized any of the
   directors of Union Carbide U.S. corporation.  The only name known to
me
 was
   the ubiquitous Vernon Jordan, Jr.  So I dropped it.  After reading
what
 Dave
   posted, I thought 

Re: [CTRL] The City

1999-11-23 Thread lloyd

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..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From: Book Search Co-ordinator [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mark  Elena Gallmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The "City"
Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 10:15 PM

Thanks for the post...your praise was much appreciated.

However, I often difer with theorists who, in my view, make too much
of the Queen deferring to the Lord Mayor.  The ceremonies by which
the Queen enters the City, though showing a unique deference to the
Lord Mayor also show unique deference to the Queen.  After all, regarding
the Lord Mayor, from their site: http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/


One of the most colourful and ancient of London traditions, the Lord Mayor's Show can 
be traced back to 1215 and the charter King John granted the City to elect its own 
Mayor.
A requirement of the charter was that the Lord Mayor should present himself to the Law 
Courts for approval and to swear loyalty to the monarch. Over the years the procession 
grew into a highlight of London's ceremonial year. For many years, until 1856 the 
procession would include making part of the journey by barge along the Thames. Now the 
Show winds its way through the streets of the City.

The Lord Mayor travels in the ceremonial gold coach which was constructed in 1757 at a 
cost of £1,065. Until 1711, when Mayor Sir Gilbert Heathcote was unsaddled by a 
drunken flower girl, the Lord Mayor used to ride on horseback. Behind him stretches a 
colourful procession of marching bands, livery companies, floats, and people in 
colourful costumes. Past Show attractions have included "a lyon and a cammel" in 1602 
and, in 1619, an artificial cock crowing and flapping his wings in the procession of 
Mayor William Cockayne. Modern Shows now reflect the theme chosen by each Lord Mayor 
for his year in office but are just as spectacular as their historic predecessors.

Despite its long history, there have been very few occasions over the centuries when 
the Lord Mayor's Show has not been held. Make sure you don't miss the Show - visit the 
Lord Mayor's Show site for up to date details of this historic event which will be 
held next on 11 November 2000.

-Original Message-
From: Mark  Elena Gallmeier [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 8:58 PM
Subject: The "City"


Dear Mr Miller,

I came across your website after reading your old circa 1985 Project on the 
BibleBelievers in Australia website.  So I've subscribed.  I've read your bi-polar 
view, which in my opinion is the most reasonable I've seen.

I wasn't prepared to find such instant confirmation on the internet itself.

I've since looked up The City's  (City of London, a/k/a London Corporation) 
website.   Not only does the "Queen" defer to the "Lord Mayor" there but I also 
learned that:

1.  The City's police force is separate from Metropolitan London's and always 
has been.

2.  Local politics in The City are conducted on a non-partisan basis.  Neither 
Labor or Conservative parties are active there.  That makes complete sense. No one 
allows their servants to rule them.

3.  The City has its own criminal court.

4. The City has posted pictures on its internet site of eco-rioters its police 
are hunting from a demonstration last June 18.  There's dozens of them.

5.  The City (Corporation of London) has purchased and conserved, outside of 
its own boundaries, the hunting lodge of Elizabeth I.
Somewhat out of the normal behavior for something that is nominally only a local 
govenment.  Why shouldn't the national government
conserve a monarch's hunting lodge?

6.  The City's own statistics show that it far exceeds New York in every 
financial category except stock market capitalization.

So The City has its own geographic sovereignty that is only a bit less veiled 
than The Vatican's.  Veiled enough to fool the sheeple.  But for the "Kings" of the 
earth, who all traffic in their own political symbolism, the symbolism  and the 
underlying reality of power is clear.  Especially when they come (are summoned) to 
visit.

The City even has its own extraterritorial citizenship in the form of "The 
Freedom of the City".

   And, lest anyone forget, The City was the target of 80% of the Luftwaffe's 
Blitz attacks and also the aiming point of the V1-V2 campaign in 1944.


Yours Truly,

Mark A. Gallmeier
Port Charlotte, FLForwarded for info and discussion from the New Paradigms 
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[CTRL] JFK ASSASSINATED 36 YEARS AGO TODAY! EO 11110

1999-11-23 Thread Steve Wingate

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JFK ASSASSINATED 36 YEARS AGO TODAY!

Story in Las Vegas Review Journel Nov. 22, 1999

[snip]
Hours after President Kennedy was assassinated, FBI agents
listened to a tape of a phone call that a man identifying himself
as "Lee Oswald" had placed to the Soviet embassy in Mexico
City. They made a startling discovery; The voice on the tape
was not Oswald's. government records said. Now, 36 years
to the day after the murder, more light is being shed about
the Oswald impersonator.
[snip]

Tape: Call on JFK Wasn't Oswald
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19991121/pl/jfk_assassination_2.html

Excerpts From JFK Documents
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19991121/pl/jfk_assassination_memos_1.html

SEARCH LEE HARVEY OSWALD
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President Kennedy, the Federal Reserve and Executive Order 0

by Cedric X.

(From The Final Call, Vol15, No.6, on January 17, 1996 (USA))

On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip
the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the
government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy
signed Executive Order No. 0 that returned to the U.S.
government the power to issue currency, without going through
the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the
power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver,
or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for
every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government
could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought
nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications
of this bill are enormous.

With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting
the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough
of these silver certificats were to come into circulation they
would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes.
This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and
the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything. Executive
Order 0 could have prevented the national debt from reaching
its current level, because it would have given the gevernment the
ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and
being charged interest in order to create the new money.
Executive Order 0 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own
money backed by silver.

After Mr. Kennedy was assassinated just five months later,
no more silver certificates were issued. The Final Call has
learned that the Executive Order was never repealed by
any U.S. President through an Executive Order and is still
valid. Why then has no president utilized it? Virtually all of
the nearly $6 trillion in debt has been created since 1963,
and if a U.S. president had utilized Executive Order 0
the debt would be nowhere near the current level. Perhaps
the assassination of JFK was a warning to future presidents
who would think to eliminate the U.S. debt by eliminating the
Federal Reserve's control over the creation of money. Mr.
Kennedy challenged the government of money by challenging
the two most successful vehicles that have ever been used to
drive up debt - war and the creation of money by a
privately-owned central bank. His efforts to have all troops
out of Vietnam by 1965 and Executive Order 0 would
have severely cut into the profits and control of the New York
banking establishment. As America's debt reaches unbearable
levels and a conflict emerges in Bosnia that will further increase
America's debt, one is force to ask, will President Clinton have
the courage to consider utilizing Executive Order 0 and, if so,
is he willing to pay the ultimate price for doing so?

Executive Order 11,110

AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289

AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN
FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the
United States Code, it is ordered as follows:

Section 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951,
as amended, is hereby further amended-

  a. By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following
  subparagraph
 (j):

  (j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b)
  of section 43 of the Act of May 12,1933, as amended (31
  U.S.C.821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any
  silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the
  Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding
  silver certificates, to 

Re: [CTRL] The Ark of the Covenant

1999-11-23 Thread YnrChyldzWyld

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On Mon, 22 Nov 1999, Eagle 1 wrote:
Oh,  and I thought that the Smithsonian had it,  just like they told it in
the story of the "Raider's of the Lost Ark"...  and I thought that EVERYONE
knew that!:-)

I thought that Raiders showed it filed away in some vast Army warehouse,
amongst hundreds of thousands other forgotten itemsthat was the last
shot in the movie...

But everyone who is 'in the know' knows that the Nazis spirited it away
to a secret base in Antartica just before the end of WWII


June ;-)

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Re: [CTRL] JFK ASSASSINATED 36 YEARS AGO TODAY! EO 11110

1999-11-23 Thread Chuck Acme

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From: Pep Stofen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 10:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Subject: TO TELL THE TRUTH


TO TELL THE TRUTH!

 It was the year of 1694, King William III,
granted to Mr. Pearson, permission to establish the
Bank of England.  With power to issue money against
the Credit of the English peopleThe bank then
loaned money to the British Crown at interest,
thus creating the debt to the bank.  It took less than
eighty years to force King George to tax the American
Colonies so as to pay the vast amount of interest to
the bank.
 Colonial Investigators, such as, Ben Franklin,
John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, etc.
became determined to free the American people from the
debt of King George III to the Bank of England.  With
great sacrifice (the Revolutionary War) they wrote the
Constitution of the United States of America...which
Provides Constitutional Power, to Congress, to issue
interest-free (debt-free) money so the people can
control the economy with an elective Republic.
 The United States won the war against King
George III, nevertheless, the Bank of England
continued to bribe a few Americans to establish
central banks, such as, the first and second Bank of
the United States which Thomas Jefferson and Andrew
Jackson, respectively, denied renewal.
 In less than four score and seven years, Abraham
Lincoln had his Congress to issue to issue the United
States Note, free of interest so as to enable payment
of the actual cost of the Civil War...which was paid
in less than twenty years.
  In 1913, the U.S.A. politicians were conned into
passing the Federal Reserve Act. Which gave the
Federal Reserve Bankers the alleged power to issue
United States money against the Credit of the U.S.A.
taxpayer.
 The last year that the United States Note was
issued interest-free to the U.S.A. Government was
1963, when $4,292,892,825.00 was printed into
circulation.  It should be interesting that President
John F. Kennedy said (only ten days before his
assassination): - "the High Office of the President
has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American
Freedom, and before I leave Office, I must inform the
citizens of this plight."
 Since the J.F.K. Administration, very few
politicians or members of the media have mentioned
that the "UNITED STATES NOTE" issued (interest-free)
by the U.S.A. Congress, will solve the U.S.A. National
Debt which is caused by the interest-bearing issuance
of the Federal Reserve Note.
 In the year of 1998, the U.S.A. taxpayer will
pay to the Federal Reserve Bankers, over a million
dollars-a-day (and accelerating) in interest against
the fraudulent National Debt, THAT'S THE TRUTH!

Pep

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[CTRL] (1/2) White House CIA: Vice Presidents of Vice

1999-11-23 Thread Das GOAT

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 In 1975, FLETCHER PROUTY, member of the below-described
secret White House subcommittee in the mid-'50s and '60s, wrote:

 "Since [the mid-50s] the 'Special Group' or 'Forty
Committee' has become a power unto itself.
 "The State Department has THOUSANDS of career people who are
responsible for the foreign policy of the United States who take
orders from the FIVE men of the 'Forty Committee.'
 "They authorize covert operations that have a much greater
impact on world events than the more legitimate actions of the
State Department.  They perform this function this secretly --
without proper review, without comprehensive experience, and
without anyone but a very few "spooks" ever knowing about it.
 "Technically, the CIA cannot be given special powers by the
Forty Committee.  The CIA was never granted such power by law,
and legally, the practice should not be permitted to continue.
No new laws are needed to forbid it.  All that is needed is that
the present law be followed precisely and enforced.  The CIA
exists to perform an INTELLIGENCE function and no more.

 "The latest of a long line of secret subcommittees, the
'Forty Committee' was earlier, in the late '50s, called the
'Special Group' -- 'Special Group' 5412 or 5412/2.
 "It has always been chaired by a representative of the
President [usually the vice president] whose official title in
this context is 'Presidential Advisor for National Security
Affairs' -- a euphemism for the CIA's man in the White House.

 "[At one time, RICHARD NIXON was the President's National
Security Advisor.] At another time, it was NELSON ROCKEFELLER ...
 "The [chairman of the 'Forty Committee'] [in 1975] is HENRY
KISSINGER, who, even after becoming Secretary of State, still has
not relinquished his position as White House CIA liaison ...

 "The other members of the committee are: the Director of the
CIA, one representative of the Secretary of State and one for the
Secretary of Defense, and since Kennedy's time, the Chairman of
the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
 "These five men, representing as they do the principals of
the National Security Council, have had thrust upon them the
responsibility for international clandestine operations."

_


 The following appeared in "Genesis" magazine, Feb. 1975:

The Forty Committee
   by L. Fletcher Prouty

 "By God, Prouty, those bastards are going to let them murder
Trujillo.  They go around telling everyone this shit about
anticommunism;  invading Cuba with a half-assed task force and
then when they have one tough son-of-a-bitch right there in the
heart of the Caribbean, what do they do?  They take away his
support.  He'll be dead in less than forty-eight hours."
 General Darcy was spitting mad.  He was one of the toughest
guys who ever strapped himself into a P-51 fighter.  He was a
real professional.  He believed in fighting the Cold War as hard
as he had fought the total war against Hitler.  Now, in May 1961,
less than one month after the Bay of Pigs, he had just come back
from a meeting of the Forty Committee (then called the Special
Group 5412/2).  They were playing God again and Rafael Trujillo,
the dictatorial president of the Dominican Republic, was the next
target for termination.
 "Prouty, before you go back to your shop, go down to
personnel. Find out what it takes to retire.  This is not my
game.  I'm getting out."  Before Darcy's papers could be
processed, Trujillo was dead, murdered in the city that carried
his name, by men of his own army.
 Tom Darcy had made it clear many times that he had no love
for Trujillo nor for what he stood; but despite that he knew
Trujillo would never condone communism, and anyway, "it is not
our business to mess around in their internal affairs."
 Assassinations are not "made" by the Forty Committee;  they
are "permitted."  When the South Vietnamese military found out
that the U.S. was withdrawing its support from the Diem brothers
in Saigon, there was but one thing for the Diems to do.  Take
that preferred plane ride and leave quickly.  Trujillo was too
proud to heed the warning, and he was shot down in the streets.
The Diems were too stubborn.  They returned to their palace to
find that their CIA-trained elite guard --their only real
personal protection-- had vanished.  They were defenseless, dead.
 Many of the telegrams that tell this story are contained in
the "Pentagon Papers."  Anyone can see how this country removed
its support from the Diems' government and all but engineered
their murders.
 An interesting sidelight to this came up in the Watergate
testimony:  Charles Colson ordered E. Howard Hunt to doctor the
State Department cables pertaining to the Diem murders in order
to make it appear that President John Kennedy had ordered that
act.  Look at this from another perspective.  Colson, Hunt, 

[CTRL] (2/2) White House CIA: Vice Presidents of Vice

1999-11-23 Thread Das GOAT

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THE FORTY COMMITTEE
   by L. Fletcher Prouty

 [cont'd]

 When the CIA was created, soon after World War II, the law
(the National Security Act of 1947) stated clearly what its
duties were to be.  There are five.  The first four are clearly
above-board intelligence functions.  It is the fifth duty that
opens the door to clandestine operations:
 "--to perform such other functions and duties related to
intelligence affecting the national security as the National
Security Council may from time to time direct."
 This is the exact language of the law.  This is the law
today, and despite countless efforts by the CIA to have us
believe otherwise, this is the only law that properly lists the
duties of the CIA.
 It has not been changed -- and it has not been augmented.
 The CIA would like to have us believe that it has the right
to perform clandestine activities.  It does not have this
authority in law -- unless it is directed by the National
Security Council to perform such an activity.  Even then the law
is most explicit: it adds, "from time to time ..."  As when the
CIA is authorized to perform one clandestine operation, that
authority does not carry over to another.
 The law further limits the CIA by saying "As the National
Security Council may ... direct."  In such important matters
there is a vast difference between "direct" and "authorize."
When the NSC "directs," that means that the highest authority in
the country has originated the idea, approved it and resolved to
carry it out.  When the NSC believes that the plan must be
carried out, and only then, the NSC "directs" that it be done.
 And the NSC has the authority to direct ANY agency -- not
just the CIA.

 After Allen Dulles had been appointed Director of the CIA by
President Eisenhower, he began a deft campaign to water down this
prescribed process.  Working in conjunction with his brother John
Foster Dulles, who was then Secretary of State, Allen Dulles put
his proposal in the following terms:  because the members of the
NSC are the busiest people in Washington, because they have the
cares of the world on their shoulders, because the President or
the Vice President cannot be at every meeting, it is proposed
that representatives be appointed to a sub-committee of the NSC
which can meet regularly in place of each member to act upon CIA
clandestine matters.
 This sounded logical from an administrative point of view.
But was it legal?  Congress and federal law already said how this
should be done.  Congress knew that the NSC would be busy.  They
also knew that those top men would be most responsible and
ultimately discreet.  So Congress did not provide for a
subcommittee.  But it was done.
 The CIA had prevailed upon the NSC to publish a series of
National Security Council Intelligence Directives (NSCIDs).  One
of these, NSCID 10/2, came close to giving the CIA what it
wanted.  In that document the NSC had spelled out that the CIA
could get into clandestine work.  However (and I used to have one
of the original drafts of this directive in my files in the
Office of the Secretary of Defense), President Eisenhower had
written in his own handwriting on the side margin of NSCID/10/2 a
stipulation to the effect that neither the military nor any other
branch of the government was to provide the CIA with men, money,
materials, or overseas base facilities in such quantity that the
agency would have the ability to carry out a series of
operations, a large operation, or a long-term operation.
Eisenhower knew that if he cut off its men, money, and supplies,
the CIA could not get deeply involved.  The full meaning of this
interpretation cannot be overemphasized.  Yet the CIA eventually
got around this device.
 Even the written directives of Presidents are ignored.
 For years Eisenhower's stipulation slowed Dulles down.  But
through a procedure found in the complexities of the national war
planning process, of which the CIA's a part, he was able to find
another loophole and to build up supplies as though they were
part of his "Fourth Force" augmentation during wartime.  The
military fell for this and gave him more war materiel then he
could ever use, even in peacetime.
 Then the CIA penetrated the military with "cover" units.
 At one time more than one thousand military units of varying
strengths belonged to the CIA.  Even though they were not large,
they permitted men and materiel to flow anywhere -- and at no
cost to the CIA.
 Then Allen Dulles got the Special Group established and it
became the platform for the development of a capability for
clandestine operations.
 With meticulous care Dulles saw to it that the men
designated as representatives of the White House and of the State
and Defense Departments were men with strong CIA connections.
 At one time General Edward G. Lansdale attended meetings for
the Secretary of Defense.  

[CTRL] The CIA's Real Agenda (Philip Agee)

1999-11-23 Thread Das GOAT

 PLAYBOY Interview with Ex-CIA agent PHILIP AGEE

 Excerpts:


Q: In your opinion, what will be the result of the [1975] CIA
investigations in Washington?

 "The Rockefeller Commission was never a real danger to the
CIA.  President Ford set it up to whitewash The Company."



Q: But what does covert action have to do with economics?

 "Think back to the end of World War II.
 "The United States faced a really alarming economic crisis.
In 1945, 11 million men were still under arms -- and out of the
work force.  Even so, production was more than double what it had
been in the best prewar year.  But then something scary happened.
 "In the first six months after the war ended, production was
cut in half, and unemployment shot up from 830,000 to 2,700,000.
In six months!
 "It looked as if the US might have won the war only to fall
back into another Great Depression.
 "The people who were running the country --politicians and
those who later became known as the "military-industrial complex"
-- were badly frightened.  Somehow they had to create 11 million
new jobs or face catastrophe.
 "So they decided to reconstruct the European and Japanese
economies, thus providing new markets for the US, and adopted the
"containment" policies of such military alliances as NATO that
brought on the Cold War.

 "When World War II ended, US policy toward the Soviet Union
came to be dominated by the anti-Soviet school in the State
Department led by George Kennan and Chip Bohlen, who were
convinced that the Soviets wanted to conquer the world ...
 "In those days, though, the Soviets were militarily much
weaker than the US public was led to believe.
 "But the scenario of an innocent and defensive America
struggling to save the world from Communist dictatorship provided
the rationalization for the dominance of foreign economies by
American companies.

 "This was the CIA's main mission: to guarantee a favorable
foreign-investment climate for US industry.

 "You see, the domestic market isn't big enough to support
the kind of production the 'Free World' needs to keep
unemployment down to so-called acceptable levels.  It has to
export --not only products but finance capital-- or die.
 "But where were our markets when the CIA was established?
 "Europe was in ruins.  Japan was flat on its back.
 "Reconstruction of foreign economies [by the "CIA-military-
industrial complex"] under the guise of "defending them against
the Red Menace" would create a stronger market for the US .."



 "In my opinion, the Marxists are right about American
economic imperialism.  American multinational corporations have
built up colossal interests all over the world, and you can bet
your ass that wherever you find US business interests, you also
find the CIA.
 "Why? Because the foreign operations of American companies
are the key to our domestic prosperity.
 "The multinational corporations want a peaceful status quo
in countries where they have investments, because that gives them
undisturbed access to cheap raw materials, cheap labor, and
stable markets for their finished goods.  The status quo suits
bankers, because their money remains secure and multiplies.
 "And of course, the status quo suits the small ruling groups
the CIA supports abroad, because all they want is to keep
themselves on top of the socioeconomic pyramid and the majority
of their people on the bottom.
 "But do you realize what being on the bottom means in most
parts of the world?  Ignorance, poverty, often early death by
starvation or disease."



PLAYBOY: We all agree that the free-enterprise system has faults.
But no system that has been set up so far provides the sort of
idealistic paradise you envision, with everything distributed
fairly.  The point at issue here is the CIA -- whether it does
more good than harm, whether the world would be better served by
its existence as is, by its reform, or by its destruction.

 "I leave it to you to decide.

 "I promise you that the CIA now knows who you are and is
undoubtedly at this moment running you through its computers.
 "Have you ever been arrested?
 "Are your tax returns up to date?
 "Did you ever fail to pay a bill?
 "Have you ever been to an analyst?
 "Did you ever knock a girl up?
 "Are you strictly heterosexual?
 "Do you sometimes blow a little grass?

 "And, by the way, when you leave the hotel, glance over your
shoulder.  Somebody may be following you."


___

Full text of interview in file attached



   PHILIP AGEE on the CIA

  Philip Agee: The Playboy Interview


PLAYBOY: Are you in danger here?

AGEE: Probably not. If they tried any rough stuff, it would have
to look like an accident, and if anybody slipped up, there would
be a very big flap.

PLAYBOY: Is the room bugged?

AGEE: I doubt it. Too much 

[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: GLOBAL PEOPLE'S TRIBUNAL ON CORPORATE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

1999-11-23 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn





Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com


** GLOBAL PEOPLE'S TRIBUNAL ON CORPORATE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY: In Seattle
Nov 27-29
Thursday, November 18, 1999
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Dear friends and allies,
A unique event is being organized to take place the weekend prior to the
WTO meeting in Seattle. It's being coordinated by Ward Morehouse,
co-director (with Richard Grossman) of the Program on Corporations, Law and
Democracy (POCLAD). I urge anyone who is interested in this event to do
what you can among the following tasks to ensure that the event is a huge
success:

1.  Try to attend this event yourself, and tell your associates about it if
they're going to Seattle.
2.  Re-Send this email to your list of ally individuals and organizations
PROMPTLY. It's being organized quite late in the game, and has not received
much publicity thus far. You can help rectify that!
3. If you have a website, please link it to OUR website as this full text
is also downloadable from our site:
www.monitor.net/democracyunlimited
3.  Make a tax-deductible donation to help defray the substantial expenses
associated with bringing dozens of expert witnesses together, renting a
hall, etc. Checks may be made payable to CIPA, and sent to the address at
the end of the announcement.
4.  If you own a broadcast-quality video camera, and can commit to being
present for the entire event (Sat + Sun 9am-5pm) as part of a multi-camera
film crew, please promptly contact video coordinator Emilia Berol - no
later than 9pm west coast time on Monday, Nov 22nd - at 707-826-1963 or
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I hope to see you there,

Paul Cienfuegos
Director, Democracy Unlimited of Humboldt County
Arcata, CA

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Announcement

GLOBAL PEOPLE'S TRIBUNAL ON CORPORATE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

Seattle, Washington, USA,  November 27-29, 1999

Plans are now being made to hold a Global People's Tribunal on Corporate
Crimes Against Humanity at the time of the World Trade Organization
Ministerial Meeting, which starts on November 29.  The Tribunal will hear
testimony and receive other forms of evidence of crimes against humanity by
global corporations as defined under international and Canadian law on
Saturday and Sunday, November 27 and 28, from 9am to 5pm both days.  A
decision on whether this evidence is sufficient to sustain charges of
crimes against humanity will be rendered on Monday, November 29, the
opening day of the Ministerial Meeting.

Rationale:
The real enemy of the people and the biosphere in Seattle is not the World
Trade Organization but those structures of power which created it and which
it serves -- namely, giant global corporations now larger than most nation
states.  One purpose of the Tribunal is to focus attention on this
underlying reality of corporate-driven globalization.  Another purpose of
the Tribunal is underscore just how destructive of fundamental human
rights, the environment and democratic process the world's largest
corporations are.

The organizers believe that it will be possible to present to the Seattle
Tribunal sufficient evidence to sustain an indictment of those corporations
being examined by the Tribunal for "crimes against humanity."   Such crimes
have been defined under Canadian Law C-71 as meaning "... murder,
extermination, deportation, persecution, or any other inhumane act or
commission that is committed against any civilian population or any
identifiable persons ... and that ... constitutes a contravention of
customary international law or conventional international law or is
criminal according to the general principles of law recognized by the
Community of Nations" (emphasis added).  This definition is drawn from the
Charter of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg as subsequently
reaffirmed and extended to acts committed at any time (not just wartime) by
the UN General Assembly.  And the UN's International Law Commission has
asserted that "inhumane acts" become crimes against humanity when they are
"committed in a systematic way or on a large scale and instigated or
directed by a Government or by any organization or group" (emphasis added)
which clearly includes non-state actors such as giant global corporations.

Tribunal Format:
A grand jury of persons from the USA (host of the WTO Meeting), Canada, and
other countries will be impaneled by the presiding judge or judges of the
Tribunal to receive evidence of crimes against humanity by a limited number
of global corporations (see below).  The jury will be aided in this task by
one or more prosecutors who will review the applicability of crimes against
humanity as defined above to different "inhumane acts or omissions" under
Canadian and international law.

This Tribunal will function like a grand jury, considering whether or not
there is sufficient evidence to sustain charges of "crimes against
humanity."  

[CTRL] The BOOK

1999-11-23 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

 -Caveat Lector-

Consortiumnews.com - http://www.consortiumnews.com

Bush Family Book Burning
Wednesday, November 17, 1999

Fortunate Son, the ill-fated biography of Gov. George W. Bush, was
recalled for burning by the publisher, a decision that remarkably drew
applause from the national news media. Indeed, the only visible media
complaint was that the critical biography was written in the first place.

What was missing from this coverage was any concern about the spectacle of
influential politicians -- former President Bush and his son --
complaining about a book and then having it burned. The right-wing
Washington Times even hailed what it termed the "finality of the furnace."

Though there may have been legitimate questions about both the book and
its author, the act of burning a political book in this fashion appears to
lack a precedent in the history of American democracy. Plenty of books
with errors have been written about politicians. But the well-connected
Bushes demonstrated again that they have a way of making things happen.

An editorial about the Bush Family Book Burning can be found at
www.consortiumnews.com

This is a very interesting read.  It's also the lead editorial of the Nov-Dec
IF Magazine.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: Waco Commentary

1999-11-23 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn





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COMMENT: Per a discussion with deep-cover 'Waco agent' Dale Turner
 that revealed plausible connections where none were
 suspected before.

- ATF Only Clinton Paramilitary Force Available in Feb 1993

  The ATF was involved in the Waco raid a month after Clinton took
  office because it was the only para-military force he had
  full control of. The Secret service and the ATF report to the
  Treasury Department, where Lloyd Bentsen was the new Treasury
  Secretary, but he conveniently travelled out of the country a lot.

- FBI Not Yet Under Clinton Control until Apr 1993

  The FBI Hostage Rescue para-military force was still under
  Republican FBI appointee William Sessions and each of Clinton's
  proposed Justice Department appointees was being shot down
  by the Senate (Zoe Baird, etc.). Future felon Webb Hubbell was
  over at Justice as an Assistant Atty-General and was meeting with
  the military  the Delta Force by early March 1993 - at the White
  House's request -- about a week after the ATF raid.

- Bungled ATF Raid Late Feb 1993 - Reasons for Raid

  The bungled ATF raid was apparently initiated by pressure from
  well-connected illegal DNC contributors to Clinton's 1992 campaign from
  Australia, who wanted certain Davidian children extracted from
  certain estranged wives. Firearms had nothing to do with it.

- Waco Massacre Already Planned in Early March 1993

  The early March 1993 date for a military assault plan indicates that
  a decision had been made within a week or so of the bungled
  ATF raid to take no prisoners, if at all possible.

- Massacre of Davidians to Cover Up Illegal Foreign Money Trails
  Through Estranged Davidian Wives

  The clean-up on the Davidians was envisioned by Clinton  the
  DNC to keep the lid this illegal foreign money (other contributions
  were from the Chinese via Riady during the New Hampshire primary when
  Clinton ran out of money). The estranged Davidian wives, if allowed
  out with their children would have immediately become involved in
  custody lawsuits which would have revealed the linkage with Australians
  and might have exposed the tip of the Clinton illegal foreign money
  trail in 1993, not much later, after the 1996 election.

  This was very likely because by not yet having his own Atty-General
  and his own FBI Director, Clinton was saddled with 55 Republican
  appointed federal prosecutors scattered around the country, plus an FBI
  Director, that he could not control.

  The Waco plans could not be executed until later.

- They had to die to remove threat to Clintons

  Not only the targeted wives, but the targeted children had
  to be killed to save the Clintons. Their normal mode of operation
  when threatened was to remove the threat using whatever police
  power they controlled at the time. Outside of Arkansas in early 1993,
  they only had the ATF and the Secret Service under relative control.

  Murder of unlucky innocents never prevented the Clintons from taking
  out a threat target. The ATF 'F-Team' idiots were eager to prove their
  worth to a president who was as lawless as they had become since the
  1968 Gun Control Act.

- The Plan Comes Together by Mid-April 1993

  Waco had to sealed off and rendered incommunicado until the plan
  could be safely initiated. Finally, Sessions was fired, the black-
  mailable closet lesbian Janet Reno was appointed as Clinton's
  third choice for Attorney-General. She promptly fired all 55
  Republican-appointed federal prosecutors and began replacing them
  with Clinton stooges. The path was cleared for mass murder and
  mass coverup, Arkansas Clinton-style.

- The Waco Killing Fields - April 19,1999

  Free of immediate Republican oversight, the Waco Plan was executed.

  No one was to be allowed out alive if possible, especially the
  wives and their children. The many planted bugs were used to
  isolate where the women and the children were and all attacks
  with CS rounds and injections were targeted at their presumed
  locations -esp. the buried bus and tunnels to it. Tanks tried to
  collapse the tunnels and collapse halls and stairs to keep
  the women  children where they could be killed more easily.

  Finally with a fire raging and a possible SAS or Delta Force
  kill team inside armed with .45 auto pistols (the Davidians
  apparently had no .45 auto capable weapons) they were near their
  goal of no wives  children surviving.

  As any tried to exit they were shot by snipers from the Delta Force
  (probably the .308 rounds) and Mossad agents (the .223
  Israeli rounds).  Helping him out of a difficult situation
  was a risk that proved to be a shrewd long-term investment for
  them, and also for several later triple-promoted military
  officers who became 3  4 star 

[CTRL] Fwd: [spynews] Passenger List: WFP's Kosovo Plane Crash

1999-11-23 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

Hope no one had any friends aboard, but it is best to know.  Prudy



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Statement 13 November 1999

LIST OF PASSENGERS OF THE WFP-CHARTERED FLIGHT TO PRISTINA

ROME,  14:40 hrs --- The World Food Programme
now confirms that the following  passengers
were on the WFP-chartered flight, flight
KSV3275, that crashed in Kosovo November 12,
1999. There are no survivors.

Roberto Bazzoni, Italian Caritas Sardinia
Paola Biocca, Italian WFP
Andrea Curry, Irish GOAL
Velmore  Davoli, Italian Gruppo Volontariato Civile
Nicolas Evens, Ian Philip British Tearfund
Abdulla Faisal, Kenya UNV
Marco Gavino, Italian UNMIK
Kevin Lay, British Tearfund
Raffaella  Liuzzi, Italian Boyden
Miguel Martinez-Vasquez, Spanish UNMIK
Jose Martinez, Maria Spanish UNMIK
Alam Mirshahidul, Bangladeshi UNMIK
J. Perez Fortes,  Spanish UNMIK
Richard Powell, Walker Australian WFP
Daniel Rowan, Canadian Canadian Government
Thabit Samer, Iraqi WFP
Paola Sarro, Italian Terre des hommes
Laura Scotti, Italian AiBi
Antonio Sircana, Italian Caritas Sardinia
Carlo Zecchi, Italian Gruppo Volontariato Civile
Julia Ziegler, German International Crisis Group
Andrea Maccaferro, Italian Air Operator Balmoral
Antonio Canzolino, Italian Air Operator Balmoral
Katia  Piazza, Italian Air Operator Balmoral

*   *   *
Statement 13 November 1999

 WFP HEAD OFFERS CONDOLENCES TO FAMILIES OF AIRCRASH VICTIMS

ROME – With the confirmation early this morning that there were no survivors
on the World Food Programme plane which crashed north of Pristina yesterday
morning, WFP Executive Director Catherine Bertini publicly offered
condolences to the family members and friends of the 24 victims, three of
whom were WFP staff members.

"With my deepest regret and a great sadness in my heart, I reach out to all
those mothers, fathers, children, relatives and friends of our lost
colleagues," she said. "You are in our hearts and we too, here at WFP, are
finding this accident and the loss of life very hard to accept."

The Pristina-bound plane which departs daily from Rome was expected to
arrive
at its destination at 11:30. The last radio contact with the plane was at
11:15. Upon learning of the news of the plane’s disappearance, WFP contacted
KFOR in Pristina to begin a search and rescue mission. The plane was located
yesterday evening approximately 15 kilometres north of Pristina in a rough
and hilly terrain, dotted with land mines

Concerned family and friends can call WFP at (39) 06 6513-21850 for the
latest update. Media inquiries, please contact:

Francis Mwanza
WFP, Rome
Tel. 39 06 6513-2623

Jeff Rowland
WFP, Rome
Tel. 39 06 6513-2971


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Re: [CTRL] The BOOK

1999-11-23 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn

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In a message dated 11/23/1999 7:55:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Fortunate Son, the ill-fated biography of Gov. George W. Bush, was
 recalled for burning by the publisher, a decision that remarkably drew
 applause from the national news media. Indeed, the only visible media
 complaint was that the critical biography was written in the first place. 

In addition to the rush to burn the book, another oddity--St Martin's Press
(the book's publisher which is stoking the furnace) is a division of
Holzbrinck GmBH, the German Publishing House.  Considering all the material
I've read about the Bush family connections with Germany, Nazi and otherwise,
perhaps they lit the bonfire as a personal favor.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Fwd: [spynews] Israel partially responsible for Palestinian refugee problem

1999-11-23 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn





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MK Katz: Israel partially responsible
for Palestinian refugee problem
By BEN LYNFIELD and DAVID ZEV HARRIS
Jerusalem Post,
Monday, November 22, 1999
13 Kislev 5760


Labor MK Yossi Katz chats with some children
during a visit to the Shuafat refugee camp
in Jerusalem yesterday.

JERUSALEM (November 22) - In a departure from
the position traditionally held by every Israeli
government, including that of Prime Minister
Ehud Barak, Labor MK Yossi Katz yesterday said
that Israel bears a share of the responsibility
for the Palestinian refugee problem.

Katz, who handles relations with the Palestinians
on behalf of Labor, told reporters during a visit
to the Shuafat refugee camp in Jerusalem that "the
State of Israel must return Palestinians [to places]
within the Green Line as part of the state's
recognition and shared responsibility - together
with the Arab states - for the refugee problem."

Party secretary-general Ra'anan Cohen took Katz to
task this weekend for his comments, originally made
last week, backing a limited Palestinian right to
return.

Katz has called for the return of about 100,000
refugees to locales inside Israel within a framework
of family reunification.

The Labor-led government draws the line at such
declarations, Cohen wrote to Katz. "This view is
against the party's platform," he stated. The idea
of a return of Palestinians is out of the question
and that has been made clear to the Palestinians
during the final-status talks, he added.

"There has been no change [in this view] nor will
there be," concluded Cohen.

"This is my view, and I do believe that I am giving
my support to Barak," said Katz. "We must prepare
the people for what will be if we want a true peace."

Last week, Katz paid a controversial visit to Orient
House in east Jerusalem.

"If he continues with these comments, he will lose
this post," warned a senior party official. Cohen
is seeking an urgent meeting with Katz and Internal
Security Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami, who heads Labor's
diplomatic team.

Katz's comments prompted MK Yisrael Katz (Likud) to
call for his expulsion from Labor, "otherwise [the
party] will be seen as a partner to his words."

Barak, addressing the Conference of Presidents of
Major American Jewish Organizations in New York
yesterday, said in response to a question that clearly
Israel will not be accepting Palestinian refugees
within the Green Line.

This was in keeping with Barak's October 4 address
to the opening session of the Knesset, when he said:
"We regret the heavy suffering that the conflict
caused not only us, but all of the Arab nations that
fought against us, including the Palestinian people.

"In a time of peace, Israel will be ready to take
part in the effort to heal the wounds of war out of
goodwill, friendship, and good neighborliness - and
under no circumstances out of feelings of guilt or
responsibility for causing the conflict and its
results. This was a conflict we did not desire and
did much to prevent."

Katz participated in a Harvard University working
group comprising Palestinian and Israeli academics
who conferred over the refugee issue from 1994-98
in the hopes of contributing ideas for the
negotiations. In those talks, the Israeli position
was to refrain from taking responsibility for causing
the refugee problem.

Palestinian Authority Environment Minister Youssef
Abu Safieh termed Katz's remarks "a step forward."

"In the past, Israelis have always said that it is
our fault for leaving our homes," said Abu Safieh,
who grew up in the Gaza's Jabalya refugee camp and
traces his roots to the former village of Hamama,
north of Ashkelon.

He added that the Palestinian position remains
unchanged: UN General Assembly Resolution 194 must
be implemented. "The basic question is acceptance
of the right of return, than we can talk about the
modalities," he said.

Resolution 194, passed in December, 1948, states
"that the refugees wishing to return to their homes
and live at peace with their neighbors be permitted
to do so at the earliest practicable date and that
compensation should be paid for the property of
those choosing not to return."

Abu Safieh said the resolution should apply to five
million Palestinians.

Jerusalem Media and Communications Center director
Ghassan Khatib, who participated in the Harvard
working group, said: "There is still a significant
gap between what Yossi Katz says and what
Palestinians can accept and international legitimacy
requires. But at least he is moving, and he is making
efforts."

Katz, joined by Oslo Accord pioneers Yair Hirshfeld
and Ron Pundak, met with Palestinian academics in
Jerusalem last week. Hirshfeld said he spoke of the
need for a clear Israeli and Palestinian statement,

Re: [CTRL] Y2K Movie Tonight

1999-11-23 Thread sno0wl

 -Caveat Lector-

On 22 Nov 99, at 13:35, Tenorlove wrote:

  The movie, Y2K was aired by NBC in the Rhode Island area but I
  understand
  that some areas of the country may not have.  That NBC may have
  substituted another movie instead.

 Would that WE were so lucky!

The only thing that struck me was that the one person in the whole
movie who got hurt was the guy who refused tp evacuate. Do you
think there's a message there?
sno0wl

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[CTRL] Rep. Macdonald and KAL 007

1999-11-23 Thread lloyd

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Subject: Rep. Macdonald and KAL 007
Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 4:21 PM

AUGUST 29, 1988
What Happened to Flight 007?
by
Robert W. Lee

   Five years after the downing of Korean Air
Lines Flight 007 by the Soviets on September 1, 1983, most of the key
   questions remain unanswered. A plethora of
books and articles have attempted (with little success) to sort out the
   data and reach convincing conclusions about
what actually happened, and why, and how.
http://thenewamerican.com/focus/mcdonald/kal/kal3.htm
-
SEPTEMBER 10, 1991
KAL 007: The Questions Remain Unanswered
by
Robert W. Lee

   Eight years after the downing of Korean Air
Lines Flight 007 by the Soviets on September 1, 1983, the most
   important questions about the incident remain
unanswered. The most widely accepted view is that the airliner was
   indeed blown up, after which it plummeted
into the Sea of Japan, killing all 269 persons (including 61 Americans)
   on board. But the main wreckage was not
found, and no bodies positively identified as having been aboard Flight
   007 were ever recovered.
http://thenewamerican.com/focus/mcdonald/kal/kal1.htm
-
JANUARY 11, 1993
KAL 007: More Lies and Cover-up
by
Robert W. Lee

   On November 19th, during a three-day visit to
South Korea, Russian President Boris Yeltsin handed over to
   President Roh Tai Woo what were alleged to be
the long-sought "black boxes" containing the cockpit voice
   recorder (CVR) and flight data recorder (FDR)
from Korean Air Lines Flight 007, the Boeing 747 jumbo jet which
   the Soviets shot down on September 1, 1983.
Until 1991, the Soviets and Russians had denied having the black
   boxes. In October 1992, Yeltsin released
purported CVR transcripts and a declassified memorandum regarding
   the FDR, but claimed that the black boxes
themselves had been dismantled and were being held by the Soviet
   Defense Ministry.
http://thenewamerican.com/focus/mcdonald/kal/kal2.htm
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Re: [CTRL] The BOOK

1999-11-23 Thread sno0wl

 -Caveat Lector-

On 23 Nov 99, at 9:36, Prudence L. Kuhn wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 11/23/1999 7:55:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  Fortunate Son, the ill-fated biography of Gov. George W. Bush, was
  recalled for burning by the publisher, a decision that remarkably
  drew applause from the national news media. Indeed, the only visible
  media complaint was that the critical biography was written in the
  first place. 

 In addition to the rush to burn the book, another oddity--St Martin's
 Press (the book's publisher which is stoking the furnace) is a
 division of Holzbrinck GmBH, the German Publishing House.  Considering
 all the material I've read about the Bush family connections with
 Germany, Nazi and otherwise, perhaps they lit the bonfire as a
 personal favor.  Prudy

H... I didn't know that Prudy. What with Bertlelsmann
owning Bantam, Doubleday, Dell  (and Random House?) I'm
beginning to wonder how much of major American publishing is
now German owned.


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Re: [CTRL] Y2K Movie Tonight

1999-11-23 Thread nessie

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 Do you think there's a message there?

How realistic the bug driven part of the plot were, time will tell. Real
world experience will tell us all soon. The part of the plot driven by
politics and psychology wasn't particularly believable. It was also so
poorly written as to discredit the intelligence of the script writers.
Perhaps this was a ruse. Perhaps the real message is that the bug driven
parts of the plot  aren't believable, either, and only an incompetent fool
would even write about it, so we should just quit worrying.

I also noticed that the plot revolved around a natural disaster and not
the results of persons unknown acting in concert. Out here in the real
world, the ruling class has had forty years to fix this thing. What have
they done instead? They have built and provisioned huge underground
fortresses where they could lay low for five or ten years if they had to.

Hmn.

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4

1999-11-23 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Ooookay, under the proposed new "ergonomic workplace" regulations, does her
employer have to adapt her workstation to prevent further injury? *How*
would you...er, is there...umm. I can't figure out how to say this, but you
get the picture...I think... blush

 -Original Message-
 From: Ric Carter [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 2:08 PM
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 Subject:  [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4

# Phone-sex operator wins masturbation injury claim. The woman,
40, said she
  developed carpal tunnel syndrome in both hands from masturbating
as often
  as 7 times daily doing hot-chat with callers. She'll get benefits
for the
  injuries.
http://news.excite.com/news/r/991119/13/fl-life-phonesex

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Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

1999-11-23 Thread Tatman, Robert

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Well, a friend of mine has an infallible incantation for malfunctioning
copiers, which he inherited from his sons: "Abracadabra peanut butter
sandwiches!" This is demonstrably more effective than calling the copier
service tech...

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 Subject:  [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

  -Caveat Lector-

 http://www.nettoilet.com/news/getarticle.shtml?1999/11/14/item5.html

 InternetTrash News
Monday, 15-Nov-1999 13:39:21 EST

 BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

 BAYSIDE, N.Y. (Wireless Flash) -- Next time the office photocopier
breaks down, don't call a mechanic -- call a psychic. According to
 New
York-based medium Shelley Peck, photocopiers often go kerplunk after
they absorb too much "negative psychic energy." Peck claims a copy
machine will have problems if it's used to make copies of negative
subject matter -- like memos announcing office job cuts or scandalous
news stories. She says copiers can also become "cursed" when nearby
workers bicker or use bad words around the machine. To protect your
copy machine from negative vibes, Peck suggests hanging a piece of
copper or black onyx in the copy room to absorb any negative energy
emitted from the machine.

 http://www.nettoilet.com/news/getarticle.shtml?1999/11/15/item6.html



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Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

1999-11-23 Thread Kelly

 -Caveat Lector-

Tatman, Robert wrote:

 Well, a friend of mine has an infallible incantation for malfunctioning
 copiers, which he inherited from his sons: "Abracadabra peanut butter
 sandwiches!" This is demonstrably more effective than calling the copier
 service tech...

Oh, thank you Robert!  I'll have to try that as kicking and swearing at
it only seems to worsen the situation!  Would you also have an
incantation for fax machines?  For some reason they seem to despise me.

Kelly

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[CTRL] EO 13142 Text

1999-11-23 Thread Eugene Ferguson


http://www.nara.gov/fedreg/presdoc.html#top
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/multidb.cgi

Federal Register Search Results
Search Database:
Federal Register, Volume 64 (1999)
For: ""page 66090""
Total Hits: 2
[1]
fr23no99E Amendment To Executive Order 12958--Classified
 Size: 6491 , Score: 1000 , TEXT , PDF , SUMMARY


[Federal Register: November 23, 1999 (Volume 64, Number 225)]
[Presidential Documents]
[Page 66089-66090]
From the Federal Register Online via GPO Access [wais.access.gpo.gov]
[DOCID:fr23no99-132]



Presidential Documents



[[Page 66089]]


Executive Order 13142 of November 19, 1999


Amendment To Executive Order 12958--Classified

National Security Information

By the authority vested in me as President by the

Constitution and the laws of the United States of

America, and in order to extend and establish specific

dates for the time within which all classified

information contained in records more than 25 years old

that have been determined to have historical value

under title 44, United States Code, should be

automatically declassified, and to establish the

Information Security Oversight Office within the

National Archives and Records Administration, it is

hereby ordered that Executive Order 12958 is amended as

follows:

Section 1. In the first sentence of section 3.4(a) of

Executive Order 12958, the words ``within five years

from the date of this order'' are deleted and the words

``within six and one half years from the date of this

order'' are inserted in lieu thereof.

Sec. 2. The following new language is inserted at the

end of section 3.4(a): ``For records otherwise subject

to this paragraph for which a review or assessment

conducted by the agency and confirmed by the

Information Security Oversight Office has determined

that they: (1) contain information that was created by

or is under the control of more than one agency, or (2)

are within file series containing information that

almost invariably pertains to intelligence sources or

methods, all classified information in such records

shall be automatically declassified, whether or not the

records have been reviewed, within 8 years from the

date of this order, except as provided in paragraph

(b), below. For records that contain information that

becomes subject to automatic declassification after the

dates otherwise established in this paragraph, all

classified information in such records shall be

automatically declassified, whether or not the records

have been reviewed on December 31 of the year that is

25 years from the origin of the information, except as

provided in paragraph (b), below.''

Sec. 3. Subsections (a) and (b) of section 5.2 are

amended to read as follows:

``(a) The Director of the Information Security

Oversight Office, under the direction of the Archivist

of the United States and in consultation with the

Assistant to the President for National Security

Affairs and the co-chairs of the Security Policy Board,

shall issue such directives as are necessary to

implement this order. These directives shall be binding

upon the agencies. Directives issued by the Director of

the Information Security Oversight Office shall

establish standards for:

(1) classification and marking principles;

(2) agency security education and training

programs;

(3) agency self-inspection programs; and

(4) classification and declassification guides.

(b) The Archivist of the United States shall delegate

the implementation and monitorship functions of this

program to the Director of the Information Security

Oversight Office.''

Sec. 4. Subsection (a) and the introductory clause and

item (4) of subsection (b) of section 5.3 are amended

as follows:
[[Page 66090]]

(a) Subsection (a) shall read ``(a) There is

established within the National Archives and Records

Administration an Information Security Oversight

Office. The Archivist of the United States shall

appoint the Director of the Information Security

Oversight Office, subject to the approval of the

President.''

(b) The introductory clause of subsection (b) shall

read ``Under the direction of the Archivist of the

United States, acting in consultation with the

Assistant to the President for National Security

Affairs, the Director of the Information Security

Oversight Office shall:''.

(c) Item (4) of subsection (b) shall read ``(4) have

the authority to conduct on-site reviews of each

agency's program established under this order, and to

require of each agency those reports, information, and

other cooperation that may be necessary to fulfill its

responsibilities. If granting access to specific

categories of classified information would pose an

exceptional national security risk, the affected agency

head or the senior agency official shall submit a

written justification recommending the denial of access

to the President through the Assistant to the President

for National Security Affairs within 60 days of the

request 

[CTRL] d.c. marxist scum give billions of taxdollars 2 russian thugs

1999-11-23 Thread BARD

 -Caveat Lector-

The two wings of The Thug Party
are the appendages of the same bird of prey.

**PLEASE DISTRIBUTE FAR AND WIDE!**

But who is footing the bill for these enormous Russian military
outlays? Isn’t Russia broke? The answer
to this simple question is
not easy to comprehend, for it defies
common sense. The money is
coming from America and other Western
countries; or, more
precisely, it comes chiefly out of the
pockets of American
taxpayers. The International Monetary
Fund (IMF), the World
Bank, and other financial institutions,
which heavily depend on
American money, have funneled tens of
billions into Russia's
corrupted economy. Some of these
billions have vanished, only to
magically reappear in the private
accounts of so-called New
Russians in Western banks.
http://216.46.238.34/articles/?a=1999/11/23/60023

Bard
Only when you rid your Soul/Mind of the
corruption of our Society will you find
the Truth that will set you Free!
Your vote in 11/2000 is crucial for
the future of our Republic and
that of your children.
The Rapist's rape of our national
treasure must cease, and ONLY
YOU can bring that about.
The two wings of The Thug Party
are the appendages of the same bird of prey.
Reader:  Aren't you fed up giving you hard-earned
personal resources to parasites in d.c.,
as well as to criminals in russia??
No wonder your taxes are high!
Don't you get it??
For christsakes, Wise Up!

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Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

1999-11-23 Thread Kelly

 -Caveat Lector-

Kelly wrote:

 Tatman, Robert wrote:

  Well, a friend of mine has an infallible incantation for malfunctioning
  copiers, which he inherited from his sons: "Abracadabra peanut butter
  sandwiches!" This is demonstrably more effective than calling the copier
  service tech...

 Oh, thank you Robert!  I'll have to try that as kicking and swearing at
 it only seems to worsen the situation!  Would you also have an
 incantation for fax machines?  For some reason they seem to despise me.


P.S.  Is there some secret slot where you insert the peanut butter
sandwiches?

Thanks!

Kelly

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Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

1999-11-23 Thread Tatman, Robert

 -Caveat Lector-

It works for fax machines, too, except the ones that dial your voice line
and squeal at you when they don't get another modem...

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:18 PM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

  -Caveat Lector-

 Tatman, Robert wrote:

  Well, a friend of mine has an infallible incantation for malfunctioning
  copiers, which he inherited from his sons: "Abracadabra peanut butter
  sandwiches!" This is demonstrably more effective than calling the copier
  service tech...

 Oh, thank you Robert!  I'll have to try that as kicking and swearing at
 it only seems to worsen the situation!  Would you also have an
 incantation for fax machines?  For some reason they seem to despise me.

 Kelly

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Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

1999-11-23 Thread Tatman, Robert

 -Caveat Lector-

No, no...you EAT the peanut butter sandwiches!

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:30 PM
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  -Caveat Lector-

 Kelly wrote:

  Tatman, Robert wrote:
 
   Well, a friend of mine has an infallible incantation for
 malfunctioning
   copiers, which he inherited from his sons: "Abracadabra peanut butter
   sandwiches!" This is demonstrably more effective than calling the
 copier
   service tech...
 
  Oh, thank you Robert!  I'll have to try that as kicking and swearing at
  it only seems to worsen the situation!  Would you also have an
  incantation for fax machines?  For some reason they seem to despise me.


 P.S.  Is there some secret slot where you insert the peanut butter
 sandwiches?

 Thanks!

 Kelly

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[CTRL] Fwd: Homeopathy Seems No Better Than Placebo in Preventing Migraine

1999-11-23 Thread William Shannon





http://internalmedicine.medscape.com/reuters/prof/1999/11/11.17/cl11179r.ht
ml

Homeopathy Seems No Better Than Placebo in Preventing Migraine

WESTPORT, Nov 17 (Reuters Health) - A review of the literature indicates 
that homeopathic prophylaxis of migraine and other headaches is no more 
effective than placebo.

A systemic review was conducted by UK investigator, Dr. Edzard Ernst of 
the University of Exeter, in which he examined studies of homeopathic 
prophylaxis for migraine and other headache types. Dr. Ernst used four 
databases to conduct independent computerized literature searches for 
randomized, placebo-controlled trials. Four studies were identified, all 
of which included migraine patients.

A variety of homeopathic remedies, such as belladonna, cyclamen, 
gelsemium and sulfur, were administered in different potencies. "All 
studies were read in full," he reports in the November issue of the 
Journal of Pain Symptom Management. "The results of each trial were taken 
as published and no reevaluation was attempted."

Overall, Dr. Ernst found "...no compelling evidence to suggest that 
individualized homeopathic treatment is more effective than placebo in 
the prevention of migraine or headache attacks."

However, "[t]he paucity of trials is disappointing and limits the 
validity of this statement." Dr. Ernst therefore believes that any final 
judgement is still premature.

J Pain Symptom Manage 1999;18:353-357.

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Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

1999-11-23 Thread Eugene Ferguson


The following was given to us when we received our new copy machine:

WARNING!
This machine is subject to breakdowns during times of
critical need. A special circuit in the machine called a "Criticality Detector"
senses the operator's emotional state in terms of how desperate they are
to use the machine. The "CD" then creates a malfunction proportional to
the desperation of the operator. Threatening the machine with violence,
or using foul language towards it, only aggravates the situation. Likewise,
attempts to use another machine will also cause it to malfunction. They
belong to the same union. Keep cool and say nice things to the machine.
Nothing else seems to work.
NEVER LET ANYTHING MECHANICAL KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN A HURRY.
Kelly wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
Tatman, Robert wrote:
snip...
EPF.




Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?

1999-11-23 Thread Kelly

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Tatman, Robert wrote:

 No, no...you EAT the peanut butter sandwiches!


Well, thank goodness for that!  I was fretting that perhaps these
machines were growing biological parts unbeknownst to moi!  And that
soon they would copy and fax me around the world until I was just a pale
shade of myself - floating in some body and mind-controlled
esoteric-o-sphere. (TM)

Kelly


  -Original Message-
  From: Kelly [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:30 PM
  To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject:  Re: [CTRL] BAD VIBES BEHIND COPY MACHINE BREAKDOWNS?
 
   -Caveat Lector-
 
  Kelly wrote:
 
   Tatman, Robert wrote:
  
Well, a friend of mine has an infallible incantation for
  malfunctioning
copiers, which he inherited from his sons: "Abracadabra peanut butter
sandwiches!" This is demonstrably more effective than calling the
  copier
service tech...
  
   Oh, thank you Robert!  I'll have to try that as kicking and swearing at
   it only seems to worsen the situation!  Would you also have an
   incantation for fax machines?  For some reason they seem to despise me.
 
 
  P.S.  Is there some secret slot where you insert the peanut butter
  sandwiches?
 
  Thanks!
 
  Kelly
 
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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4

1999-11-23 Thread Kelly

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Tatman, Robert wrote:

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 Ooookay, under the proposed new "ergonomic workplace" regulations, does her
 employer have to adapt her workstation to prevent further injury? *How*
 would you...er, is there...umm. I can't figure out how to say this, but you
 get the picture...I think... blush


Sounds like she needed a little aid or aide methinks.  Plus a whole new
head.  Of her own!

Kelly

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Monday #4

1999-11-23 Thread Maggie

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The answer is obvious! She just needs a remote controlled vibrator. You'd
think she could figure it out given the industry she's in.
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her
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:  would you...er, is there...umm. I can't figure out how to say this, but
you
:  get the picture...I think... blush
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[CTRL] suitcase-sized nuclear weapons in u.S. more...

1999-11-23 Thread lloyd

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Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 2:21 PM

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Report: Soviets hid nukes in U.S. WASHINGTON, Oct. 26 (UPI) _

A congressman said Tuesday the Soviet Union may have hidden explosives,
  radio-transmitters and possibly suitcase-sized nuclear weapons in
the United States during the Cold War. Rep. Curt Weldon, R-Pa., said the
secret
  installations were to be used in sabotage operations against U.S.
power systems and other key infrastructures in the event of a war or
other major crisis. Two
  such caches discovered last winter in Switzerland and Belgium were
identified in KGB archives, suggesting hidden U.S. sites may exist as
well. Weldon met
  last week with FBI Director Louis Freeh, who confirmed the
possibility that similar explosives could be buried around the United
States.
http://www.unitedstates.com/cgi-bin/articles.pl?article=47078

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[CTRL] Prophets Galore

1999-11-23 Thread Kelly

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Notes From The Prophets Conference ~ Gregg Braden

(The following text is an excerpt from a transcription of Gregg Braden's
presentation at The Prophets Conference which took place last August in
Port Townsend, Washington.)

Gregg  Braden blends his experience as a former computer systems
designer, geologist, and aerospace engineer with the ancient sciences of
compassion, blessing, and the Essene mysteries of relationship. He
offers a way to redefine hate, fear, separation, and the role they play
in our lives as we begin a new planetary cycle. As a world explorer of
ancient sacred sites, popular and powerful lecturer and author, Gregg
teaches of the numinous and the path being taken between the physical
and the metaphysical.

Gregg Braden will be presenting his powerful work at The Prophets
Conference ~ Santa Fe, April 14-16, 2000.  Information at
http://www.greatmystery.org/santafeconference.html.

Gregg Braden on Prophecies and Predictions

"There are many prophecies and predictions regarding this time in
history, and I know that you have seen many of them.  A couple of years
ago they started showing up on national television - primetime
television slots.

We started watching programs like "Ancient Prophecies."  There's
"Ancient Prophecies 1," "Ancient Prophecies 2."  I think there was an
"Ancient Prophecies 3."  There are a lot of those prophecies out there.

We have been inundated in the media, through the worldwide web, in
magazine articles and publications, with information regarding what this
time in history is supposed to look like through the eyes of many
ancient traditions.  And, many people today are interpreting those
prophecies and those predictions as being very frightening, because
there are events that are depicted in very old texts regarding this time
in history, events of catastrophic Earth changes, weather changes,
upheavals in the Earth's crust, and global warfare.  And there are
experts now who are predicting that within the next two to three years,
that they expect to see a loss of up to two thirds of the world's
population to famine, disease, and the global war that they believe will
center around the Middle East and the Balkans.  (pause) Interesting.

Well, when we hear those kinds of predictions, and we hear a lot of them
on the circuits with the talks and the conferences that we go to, I like
to ask people where their information comes from.  Many people say it's
right there in those ancient texts.  It's right there before our eyes in
those ancient traditions.

And I say yes, there are some prophecies and predictions that have been
preserved through ancient texts.  And, they are fragmented and they are
incomplete. And what we now know is that when we go back and look at
those prophecies and predictions in their original format, they say
something very, very different than the way they've been interpreted
over the last one thousand years or so.  Because, when we go back and
look at the original texts, what we find is that for every prophecy of
chaotic destruction and death and loss of life on a level that we've
never seen before, for every one of those predictions, there are equally
viable and valid predictions that say that we no longer have war from
the change of this millennium forward, that we've outgrown the need to
die, that sickness and suffering are things of our past, that our crops
grow because our weather patterns are so gentle and that every mouth of
every human is fed every day.  And these prophecies are just as viable
as the one's of the catastrophic destruction.

And one of the mysteries has been, has always been, why would an ancient
prophet, in their perspective, in their time, looking forward along the
linear pathway of time as they were perceiving it (we know that time
isn't necessarily linear, but as they're looking forward into time) how
could they see such diverse possibilities for the same moment in time?
How could they look at the change of a millennium and see all negative -
the frightening possibilities - and at the same moment see all of the
positive elements of joy that lighten our hearts and allow us to feel
the sense of relief?  How could they see those for the same moment and
time?

Well, it's only been in recent years, within about the last five years,
through the eyes of quantum physics reinterpreting many of these ancient
texts, that they began to make sense.  And, in a nutshell, I'll just
share with you what they're saying, and we're going to go through this
over the next couple of hours together.  What they're saying is that
there's a good possibility the ancient prophets didn't even understand
what they were seeing.  Isn't that interesting? They were given vision
into future possibilities.  And they would see one and then they would
see another, and then they would see another, and it's even recorded
that when they came back, they didn't understand what they were seeing.
And they were given the 

Re: [CTRL] Australia's Port Arthur Massacre

1999-11-23 Thread JAH Publications

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Dear Earthman,

Hello again; I hope you are well. As this Port Arthur article you've posted
is in harmony with my article about the conspiracy to disarm the British
public, in which I refer to the Port Arthur Massacre, I thought I would send
you the article, in case you haven't seen it and then if you like you could
cut and paste it, or parts of it, into the relative place. Or if you like I
could do it later and post it to you completed.

Peace be upon you,

JAH.

My article:-

Please repost to your own mailing lists
and newsgroups and as far and wide as possible - Thanks

Dear Friends, Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, et al:

The more I read your various correspondences, the more I see how frightened
and desperate many of you are and from the many reports sent in, about
various government activities, the greater the need for good guidance on how
to defeat the 300 Gang and even more importantly SURVIVE.

With all the measures being taken by so many people; most of which, I'm
sorry to have to tell you, will not be of any use; it appears that whilst
many of you claim to believe IN God, very few seem to BELIEVE God and His
Word.

He has told the world on the last page of the Old Covenant/Testament in
Malachi 4 what every one of you MUST do, if you want to survive not only y2k
but also The Fire, which was re-confirmed by Christ in the Revelation to
John, in Revelation/Apocalypse 14:3 and 15:3.

Revelation 14:3 And they sung as it were a "New Song" (Isaiah 42:10) before
 the Throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could
learn that "Song" EXCEPT the hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand, which
were redeemed from the Earth.
15:3 And they sing the "Song of Moses" (Old Covenant - Deut. 31) the servant
of God, AND the "Song of the Lamb" (New Covenant), saying, Great and
marvellous [are] Thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and TRUE [are] Thy Ways,
Thou King of the holy people.


In both places, you have been told that you MUST return to keeping ONLY
God's Laws and The Covenants - the Old and the New Covenants which are
harmonised and referred to as the "New Song" by Christ in Revelation 14:3
and 15:3 above and by God in Isaiah 42:10.

Isaiah 42:10 Sing unto the "I AM" the "New Song" (Rev. 14:3; 15:3), [and]
His praise from the "end of the earth", ye that go down to the sea, and all
that is therein; the isles, and the inhabitants thereof.
42:11 Let the "wilderness" and the cities thereof lift up [their voice], the
villages [that] Darkness doth inhabit: let the inhabitants of the Rock sing,
let them shout from the top of the mountain.
42:12 Let them give glory unto the "I AM", and declare His praise in the
islands.
42:13 The "I AM" shall go forth as a mighty man, He shall stir up jealousy
like a man of WAR: He shall cry, yea, roar; He shall PREVAIL against His
enemies.


I have placed the "New Song" that every one of you who wants to survive and
live in God's Kingdom MUST learn and live by, on my website:-

http://www/geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/nsongad.htm please retrieve;
download and use it, now.

Christ has told you clearly that out of 6,000,000,000 million people only
144,000 will be able to learn to live this "New Song" and the rest will not
survive, because they only believe IN Him, instead of BELIEVING Him and
getting to KNOW God by following Christ's teachings, to the letter, and not
the many varied and conflicting teachings of the many different christian
churches.

It seems you are all far more pre-occupied with the 300 Gang, than in
following God's survival instructions. Those who KNOW God should not be the
least bit worried about anything or what anyone might, or might not, try to
do to their body.

What is the point of surviving the y2k, or attacks by  foreign or domestic
governments, or the U.N., NWO, if you are not going to survive what God has
in store for you very soon, anyway.
For confirmation of the time please see "Signs of the End Times" on my site.

Malachi 4:1 For, behold, the Day cometh, that shall burn like an oven; and
all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day
that cometh shall burn them up, saith the "I AM" Lord of hosts, that it
shall leave of them neither root nor branch (nothing).
4:2 But unto you that fear My name shall the Sun of Righteousness arise with
healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the
stall (in perfect safety).
4:3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the
soles of your feet in The Day that I shall do [this], saith the "I AM" Lord
of hosts.
4:4 Remember ye and return to The Law of Moses My servant, which I commanded
unto him in Horeb (Sinai) for all Israel, [with] the Statutes and Judgments.
4:5 Behold, I will send you EliJAH the Prophet before the coming of the
great and dreadful Day of the "I AM" (Sura 43:61):
4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the
heart of the children to their fathers, (by recovering 

Re: [CTRL] Y2K Movie Tonight

1999-11-23 Thread C Davis

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It should be fairly obvious to us all by now that something, who knows
exactly what, will happen on 1/1/00. The biggest threat may not be our
machines but the people bent on their end of the world doctrine. Could they
actually bring it about? I think so. Bioweapons, chemicals, something
destructive so they can say "See? We were right! " God help us all...

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1

1999-11-23 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 991123a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* Please DO NOT include the entire bulletin when you reply; Cut/Paste, eh?
* No overly-intellectual "smart dust" was harmed to produce this bulletin.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Full Y2K Compliance: http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/joelzahn/Office2000/
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Human Computers Through BioEngineering On The Way. Washington (SHNS) About
  to be unloosed on Earth is intelligence far greater than that of humanity.
  Yes, computers that think - much faster, more broadly, more deeply - than
  people do. Yes, computers that feel and have self-awareness. They will be
  based, not on silicon, but on carbon, neurons, elements of life. We had
  better teach them to like us: http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/hucomp.htm

: Are you ready to submit to the silicon masters? Do you feel slow, stupid,
sluggish? Should you merge with them, ingest them, become one with them??

@ Interspecies Nurturing: http://jlms.com/~mc_tact/just019.jpg
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Spies'R'Us:

# Mini Airborne Intelligence. BERKELEY, CA (ABC) Whenever there is danger 
  we need info, we usually send in humans: at crime scenes, during nuclear
  accidents, in wartime. It is human life we risk to gain intelligence. But
  why not use "smart dust"? Scientists are creating tiny computerized sens-
  ors the size of specks of dust that can be scattered into the air  send
  back data - in the future, even pictures - as they float back to Earth.
http://abcnews.go.com/onair/cuttingedge/wnt_991119_ce_smartdust_feature.html

: Is dust smarter than you, more observant, more valuable? Should you be
covered with microscopic sensors/computers/communicators? Are they godlike?

# Spies in the 'forests': DOD testing massive spy-tec. Last week we reported
  that a US spy agency had a system to eavesdrop on phone calls. Now it is
  lab-testing software to sift thru calls  emails in search of key phrases:
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/Digital/Features/spies221199.shtml

: Are you constantly monitored? Do you wrap yourself with lead foil to keep
the probes at bay? Do you speak gibberish to throw off the NSA word spies??

# ECHELON Examined - Officials Hope to Uncover How Funds Used for Spy Work:
  http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/echelon991122.html
# JUDGE LETS CIA KEEP BUDGET SECRET - don't watch the spies:
  http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/23/cia.budget.ap/index.html
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ THE RISKS DIGEST:  Nasdaq software failure; Netscape's cookie-preserving
  behavior;  PFIR: "People For Internet Responsibility"; Businesses could
  owe millions for popular Y2k bug fix;  Japan rail ticket system crash due
  to 11/11/11 11:11;  Computer prompts increase errors?  Y2K creates "horse-
  less carriages";  Risks in end-user license agreements?  Microsoft Y2K
  liability;  Risks of Office 2000;  Slashes in spreadsheets; DVD crypto was
  intentionally weak; Amazon password risk; Who protects me from the protec-
  tors?  Risks of ads in software;  Workshop on Freedom  Privacy By Design;
  Info on RISKS (comp.risks) -- http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/20.65.html

# HUBBLE REVEALS GALACTIC SMASHES MORE COMMON THAN EXPECTED. Astronomers on
  the Hubble Space Telescope observed the galactic equivalent of a rush hour
  multi-car pileup. New data shows the rare ultra-luminous infrared galaxies
  are involved in collisions more frequently than scientists thought, with
  fiery pile-ups of 3, 4 or even 5 galaxies smashing together. More colli-
  sions than expected: http://cnn.com/TECH/space/9911/22/hubble.galaxies/

: Do you fear the risk of the Milky Way smashing head-on into Andromeda? Do
the deities piloting these galaxies drink and drive? Do they smash galaxies
together just to watch the sparks? Are all deities irresponsible juveniles?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Ear Stellas Found At Sphinx - Are The Gods Listening? These ear-tablets
  are usually found in the vicinity of any sanctuary or temple. Were they
  were made to attract the Gods to the prayers of the supplicant? Petrie
  says: "To gain the attention of the Gods, there arose the strange custom
  of carving ears upon the tablet of prayers. Thus, it was thought that the
  God would more readily hear the petitions. In one example there are dozens
  of ears on a single tablet". http://projectduat.com/sphinx-ear-stellas/

: How do you get deities to listen to you? Do bribes help? Have you bribed
any gods lately? Have you sucked up to'em? Do sacrifices get their notice?

# Varginha UFO Crash - Brazilian Army Claims 3 Girls Saw 'Deformed Human' -
  I don't think so, do you? http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/deformed.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# TIMELESS. Surely nothing is possible without time? But a physicist sez it
  doesn't even exist. (NewSci) TIME SEEMS TO BE the most 

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #1

1999-11-23 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

 -Caveat Lector-


 From: "Ric Carter" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 SkeptiNews 991123a - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To
Question

 # TIMELESS. Surely nothing is possible without time? But a physicist sez
it
   doesn't even exist. (NewSci) TIME SEEMS TO BE the most powerful force,
an
   irresistible river carrying us from birth to death. To most people it's
an
   inescapable part of life, a fundamental element of the Universe. But
time
   may be an illusion. Physicists struggling to unify quantum mechanics
and
   Einstein's general theory of relativity have found hints that the
Universe
   is timeless. http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19991016/timeless.html

Humanity does tend to equate time with degeneration which, in fact, are two
separate issues.  Got about halfway through the article and lost my
time-space coordinates...

Hilary

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

1999-11-23 Thread Ric Carter

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SkeptiNews 991123b - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

* Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
* Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
* Please DO NOT include the entire bulletin when you reply; Cut/Paste, eh?
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_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ 5: http://members.xoom.com/0rpheus/rel/MISC_REL/OCCULT/PICS/DISCORDI.GIF
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# The Occidental Tourist. Are spiritual expeditions the next wave in travel?
  "Certainly we plugged into the Buddhist Circuit to gain a new perspective
  on the dharma, to 'deepen our practice.' But we were also outsiders, spir-
  itual tourists. We sought insight, but we were also on a quest for the
  tackiest dharma kitsch we could find,a quest that was satisfied by chintzy
  holographic keychains ('shining Buddha' we were told) and a set of plastic
  dinner plates smeared with fuzzy photo-transfers of Tibetan mandalas."
  http://www.feedmag.com/essay/es268_master.html?alert

: Do you seek spiritual kitsch? Does it seek you? Did your karma run over my
dogma? Have you found a good religious circus? Are you a holy clown? Am I??

# Mr. Death: http://www.feedmag.com/daily/dy111999_master.html?alert
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Art fans don't get to see condom-clad Jesus doll. (DN) The Guiliani-like
  director of Detroit's Institute of Arts decided the public shouldn't see
  artist Jef Bourgeau's works, including the Jesus doll, a urine exhibit,
  and a menstruation-related video. Sez da artist: "The '90s is about shock.
  What is disappointing is that there have been no complaints and they
  closed it down." http://www.detnews.com/1999/metro/9911/22/11220078.htm

: Do your religious icons depict safe sex? If art doesn't shock, is it only
decoration? Do you know art when you see it? Does art know you? Do voices in
your head help you discern art from not-art? Are you a critic? Are you sane?

@ PATHWAY TO DARKNESS - Vampire culture: http://www.pathwaytodarkness.co
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# CHURCH RULES SAME-SEX WEDDINGS CAN'T BE CALLED 'MARRIAGES.' A Presbyterian
  Church court ruled that New York's upstate churches can continue to hold
  wedding-like blessings of same-sex couples as long as they are called
  "unions" -- not marriages. Opponents vow to appeal to national church
  court - see http://cnn.com/US/9911/22/gay.presbyterians/index.html

: If you want your same-sex or intra-species union blessed and recognized as
a wedding, why not come to The Church of the Otters now? http://tcoto.da.ru

# Drug-Running Priest Did It for the Kids? SAO PAULO (Reuters) A Brazilian
  priest caught with 11 kilos of cocaine hidden beneath his cassock told
  police he was trafficking the drugs to save a struggling day care center.
  Ends and means: http://news.excite.com/news/r/991123/07/odd-drugs-brazil
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Churches close in Holy Land. NAZARETH, Israel (AP) - The gates of churches
  across the Holy Land swung shut in protest as church leaders made a final
  attempt to block the building of a mosque in the heart of Nazareth, the
  town of Jesus' boyhood. Increasingly volatile relations between Christians
  and Muslims: http://infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562212873-7ea

# Vatican Says Israel Fomenting Religious Division. VATICAN CITY (Reuters)
  The Vatican bluntly accused the Israeli government of fomenting religious
  divisions by allowing a mosque to be built in Nazareth, the boyhood home
  of Jesus. Moi? http://news.excite.com/news/r/991123/09/news-mideast-pope

: Does your govt like to foment religious divisions? Does your religion like
to foment political divisions? Do DIVIDE-AND-CONQUER strategies still work?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Crash-A-Rama:

@ Air Crashes, Black Boxes  Unsafety Boards: More of the Same? The National
  Transportation Safety Board, NTSB, and its predecessor federal agencies,
  have a long, sorry history of covering up foul play in aircraft disasters.
  "Sabotage" a dirty word to them: http://www.sightings.com/ufo5/crsh.htm

# FBI AGENTS IN CAIRO CHECK EGYPTAIR PASSENGER BACKGROUNDS -diplomatic
  hot potato: http://www.cnn.com/US/9911/22/egyptair.01/index.html
# Egypt official reports on jet crash - crew is not to blame:
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2562213816-5d3

# 50% Of Gringos Now Afraid To Fly. NEW YORK (PRNewswire) In the aftermath
  of the EgyptAir 990 crash, 50% of Americans who have flown on a commercial
  airline say they are frightened at least sometimes when they fly, sez a
  poll. That's up from 43% in a poll taken in May 1996, after the ValueJet
  crash in Florida. http://www.sightings.com/politics5/afraidtofly_p.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Group Unveils Annual 'Dangerous' Toy List - MindControl Games Not Listed.
  BOSTON (Reuters) Parents beware: Although they may look like perfectly
  harmless presents, "Dipsy" the Teletubby bucket and Rad 

Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

1999-11-23 Thread Tatman, Robert

 -Caveat Lector-

Out of the phlogiston, like maggots appearing spontaneously on rotten meat
in a vacuum jar?

 -Original Message-

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

1999-11-23 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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Another blackout?

Hilary

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Re: [CTRL] Skeptic News - Tuesday #2

1999-11-23 Thread Hilary A. Thomas

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--
 From: Tatman, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Out of the phlogiston, like maggots appearing spontaneously on rotten
meat
 in a vacuum jar?

Robert, sometimes your mind seems a very scary place to be...:-)

Hilary

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[CTRL] Latest on Second Oswald

1999-11-23 Thread Das GOAT

 -Caveat Lector-

Tape: Call on JFK Wasn't Oswald

By DEB RIECHMANN
.c The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - Hours after President Kennedy was assassinated, FBI agents
reportedly listened to a tape of a phone call that a man identifying himself
as ``Lee Oswald'' had placed to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City.

They made a startling discovery: The voice on the tape was not Oswald's,
government records say.

This controversial tape has been a question mark in the assassination
investigation since Kennedy was killed. The assassination occurred 36 years
ago Monday and only now have new details about the tape come to light.

The CIA said years ago that the tapes on which it recorded the call were
erased. Documents released in recent years said otherwise. The latest and
newest of declassified documents offer more evidence that the tapes survived.

The discovery that the voice on the tape was someone other than Oswald was a
``disquieting discovery because the man who impersonated Oswald was still at
large,'' said John Newman, an ex-military intelligence analyst, author and
professor at the University of Maryland.

Oswald was in Mexico City in September and October 1963. During his one-week
stay, he contacted the Soviet Embassy and the Cuban consulate, inquiring
about visas needed to go to the Soviet Union via Cuba.

It is widely known that the CIA bugged telephones and took surveillance
photos at both the embassy and consulate. But the agency maintained that it
had routinely erased and reused tapes of the phone intercepts. A message from
the CIA's Mexico City station to headquarters on Nov. 24, 1963, said: ``HQ
has full transcripts all pertinent calls. Regret complete recheck shows tapes
for this period already erased.''

It was also known that while he was in Mexico City, Oswald had contact with
Valeriy Kostikov - a man that one CIA memo described as a ``case officer in
an operation which is evidently sponsored by the KGB's 13th Department
responsible for sabotage and assassination.'' It was the caller who is
thought to have impersonated Oswald who links him to this Soviet spy unit
known as Department 13.

Newly declassified documents - some released in the past six months - say
that after the president was shot, a Navy plane carried a top-secret package
from Mexico City to Dallas and landed there about 4 a.m. EST the day after
the murder.

Former FBI Agent Eldon Rudd, later a Republican congressman from Arizona, was
aboard the plane.

``There were no tapes to my knowledge,'' Rudd said in a telephone interview.
``I brought the pictures up (from Mexico) and it was my understanding that it
was just pictures.''

Documents contradict Rudd's understanding. A newly released memo dated Nov.
27, 1963, from FBI headquarters to its office in Mexico City, stated:

``If tapes covering any contacts subject (Oswald) with Soviet or Cuban
embassies available, forward to bureau for laboratory examination and
analysis together with transcript. Include tapes previously reviewed Dallas
if they were returned to you.''

And a transcript of a telephone call FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover made to
President Johnson just six hours after the plane arrived in Dallas supports
the belief that FBI agents listened to a tape that suggested an
impersonation.

``We have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the
Soviet embassy using Oswald's name,'' Hoover told Johnson, according to a
transcript of that call released in 1993. ``That picture and the tape do not
correspond to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it
appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down
there.''

While they would not speculate about the identity of the caller, several
assassination researchers privately offered some explanations: Oswald could
have been impersonated by a CIA officer who called the Soviet Embassy simply
to fish for details about what Oswald was doing in Mexico City. Or, maybe
someone was trying to link Oswald to the KGB's assassination unit before
Kennedy's murder.

Whatever the answer, there was plenty of reason for worry in Washington about
any evidence pointing to Soviets or Cubans as somehow involved in the
assassination. Relations with the former Soviet Union were icy. Both sides
were armed with nuclear weapons. The Cuban missile crisis was still very much
on America's mind.

``The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not
have confederates who are still at large,'' Nicholas Katzenbach, then deputy
attorney general, wrote in a memo on Nov. 25, 1963.

``Speculation about Oswald's motivation ought to be cut off and we should
have some basis for rebutting (the) thought that this was a communist
conspiracy or ... a right-wing conspiracy to blame it on the communists.''

In a telephone interview last week, Katzenbach said he does not know anything
about the FBI listening to a tape in Dallas. ``Whether I knew anything about
it at the time, or what I knew about it 

[CTRL] (Fwd) [BRIGADE] Business Bankruptcy - Weekly Reports

1999-11-23 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

 -Caveat Lector-

--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
From:   "Linda Muller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent:  Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:46:16 -0500
Subject:[BRIGADE] Business Bankruptcy - Weekly Reports
Send reply to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Brigade,

Please see below -- excellent source for info on US business filing for
bankruptcy each week. Thanks Carol for sending it to us!!

For the Cause - Linda

---

From:   "Brainella" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Fw: U.S. Corporate Bankruptcy List
Date sent:  Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:20:09 -0500

I subscribe to a list of American/U.S. Bankrupted companies because I
believe that this is one aspect of the economy that reflects on American
based businesses that is never discussed or brought to light in the news
media.  The wounded companies, when not dissolved, remain in a smaller
down-sized condition thus affecting the employment for U.S. citizens.

Just thought I would share this because PJB does care about American
businesses and their stability. Their link is
http://www.abccompanies.com/resource/bankrupt.html

Carol
---

Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 12:06 AM
Subject: U.S. Corporate Bankruptcy List

U.S. CORPORATE BANKRUPTCY LIST

for the period November 15-19, 1999

Prepared by

The ABC Companies, Inc.
1100 Main Street
Buffalo, New York 14209-2356 USA
Phone:  716-885-
Fax:  716-878-2800

All information provided in this report has been obtained from sources
believed to be reliable.  However, neither ABC Companies Inc. nor its
subsidiaries, the American Bureau of Collections, Inc. or the Advanced
Business and Credit Information, Inc., nor any of their officers or
employees can verify the accuracy of the information.  As such, the
information is not guaranteed and should not be relied upon without
independent verification from competent professionals.

 RECENT BANKRUPTCIES/CLOSINGS

PLEASE NOTE THAT THERE WILL BE NO BANKRUPTCY REPORT FOR
THE WEEK NOV. 22-26 DUE TO THE THANKSGIVING HOLIDAY.  THE
NEXT REPORT WILL BE DELIVERED ON DEC. 3 AND WILL INCLUDE
INFO FROM THE PRIOR TWO WEEKS.

Chapter 7s

Abatement Environmental Resources Inc., Springdale, MD -case # 99-
22370 Artjay Industries Inc., Troy, MI Big Apple Corp., Glendale, WI,
formerly d/b/a Bayou andBrooklyn's One Water Breeze Courier Group
Inc., Hanover, MD CH League Enterprises Inc. d/b/a Q-Zar of CS Inc.,
ColoradoSprings, CO - case # 99-23040 Communication Systems
International Inc., Colorado Springs, CO Continental Sportsman Inc.,
Mountlake Terrace, WA -
   case # 99-12173
DL Construction, Mequon, WI
Dev Com Leasing Inc., Mounds, MN
Dollar Village Inc., Aurora, CO
Energy Services Contractors Inc., Valencia, CA -
   case # SV99-21689-AG
Fox Bay Entertainment Inc., Whitefish Bay, WI
Graham Transport, St. Paul, MN
Larc Pizza Inc., Stillwater, MN
Lee Rich Productions Inc., Los Angeles, CA
Lulu Foods Inc., Malibu, CA - case # SV99-218477-KL
Premier Air Express, Playa Del Rey, CA -
   case # LA99-48482-BR
Premier Health Care Inc., Miami Beach, FL - case # 99-40460
Steelman-Cincinnati Inc., Amelia, OH
Travel Review Publishing Inc., Marblehead, MA -
   case # 99-18700
Vidikron Technologies Group Inc., New York, NY
Want Ads of Salt Lake City Inc., American Fork, UT, d/b/aThriftY
Nickel - case # 99-31762
Westlake Energy Consultants Inc., Thousand Oaks, CA -
   case # SV99-21649-KL

Chapter 11s

American Vista Vending Inc., Jupiter, Fl - case # 99-35357
Cellular Headquarters Inc., Maple Shade, NJ - case # 99-18412
Computer Support Technologies Inc., Ann Arbor, MI (invol)
Coram Independent Practice Association Inc., Denver, CO
Coram Resource Network Inc., Denver, CO
Danish Pastry Shop Inc., St. Paul, MN
Dick's Glass Co. Inc., Schenectady, NY - case # 99-16022
Fields Aircraft Spares Inc., Simi Valley, CA
Gloucester Building Supply Inc., Gloucester City, NJ -
   case # 99-19464
Haddon National Cos. Inc., Pennsauken, NJ - case # 99-19319
Heber Enterprises Inc., Englewood CO, also d/b/a ColoradoMaintenance
Specialties Corp. Home Medical Care Inc., Pomona, CA - case #
LA99-47238-SB Insync Interactive Communications Inc., Detroit, MI
Integrated Computer Management Inc., Troy, NY -
   case # 99-152876
Jell Industries Inc., Mercerville, NJ - case # 99-60316
Laser Engineering Inc., Coral Springs, FL - case # 99-27002
Leasing Solutions Inc., Los Angeles, CA
Marshall Electric Co. Inc., Lindenwold, NJ - case # 99-19463
Miami Dominion Group Inc., Wildwood Crest, NJ -
   case # 99-19718
Mulligan Partenheimer Inc., Springfield, MO
National Computer Resources Inc., Wixom, MI
OpTel, Dallas, TX
Petsec Energy Inc., a U.S. unit of Petsec Energy Ltd. ofSydney,
Australia
Pico Macom Inc., Lakeview Terrace, CA
Premium Tune N' Lube Inc., Issaquah, WA - case # 

[CTRL] (Fwd) [BRIGADE] H1-B Thanksgiving

1999-11-23 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

 -Caveat Lector-

--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
From:   "Linda Muller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent:  Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:02:40 -0500
Subject:[BRIGADE] H1-B Thanksgiving
Send reply to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear Brigade,

As we prepare to enjoy Thanksgiving, let us also remember the many
American's who have become jobless due to the H1-b foreign worker import
program.  BTW - In case you were wondering whether the major GOP
candidates were concerned about our American workers:

Sen. John McCain -  "I am proud to have been an original co-sponsor of
this bill,  which would raise the temporary visa  cap for skilled foreign
workers." He voted against an ammendment that would have prohibited U.S.
firms from using  H-1Bs to replace Americans.

George W. Bush - Announced that he supports H-1B. As of 9/15/99 Bush had
received $380,000 from computer industry executives.

Steve Forbes -  Forbes said the cap on visas for skilled, foreign-born
workers should be increased to help companies faced with staffing
shortages.

Here is what Pat has to say:

Pat Buchanan - "Do our high-tech firms need 60,000 new foreign workers, or
do they just  prefer pliable Asian guest workers to middle-aged Americans?
   Our manufacturing sector is already showing signs of a slowdown.
Exports are falling, and the Asian import tsunami has not yet hit. If the
economy turns turtle just as 115,000 guest workers start replacing
Americans in high-tech jobs and shouldering aside our college graduates,
the GOP will be risking in 2000 a repeat of '96 and '92. How many times
does the elephant have to get hit with a two-by-four?" - PJB 9/4/98

Here are 2 emails from our friend Gene Nelson - fyi.

GO PAT GO
Linda



From:   "Gene A. Nelson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Linda Kilcrease's NAS - NSF Testimony 11 22 99
Date sent:  Tue, 23 Nov 1999 06:55:01 -0600
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Dear BrainSaver.org list members:

The note from Linda immediately below is testimony to the power of
employers to cow professionals into submission. I'm sure that many
permanently displaced professionals had no means to learn that the NAS -
NSF meeting was taking place. Their new employer (Wal - Mart, perhaps)
also frowned on their taking a day off to provide testimony to the
government. My namesake, Gene Nelson was the first entertainer
"blacklisted" by the studio system. Many workers are fearful of being
blacklisted in an environment where employers receive huge numbers of
resumes for the few positions that they fill.

Gene Nelson, Ph.D.   A BrainSaver in Dallas, Texas

--
From:   Linda Kilcrease[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent:   Monday, November 22, 1999 11:13 PM
To: Gene A. Nelson
Subject:testimony

PROBLEMS WITH THE H-1B VISA EXPANSION AND T-VISAS

I oppose T-visas or an expansion of the H-1B visa.  Last year companies
legally fired hundreds of thousands of U.S. IT workers (per Challenger,
Gray and Christmas), without re-tooling any of them, believing the answer
for skilled workers is in some mythical unending supply of cheap
foreigners they can import - as they displace us.

I was one of all IT workers fired by insurance giant AIG, headquartered in
New York.  This highly profitable company boasted they were saving $11
million as they made us train our H-1B replacements.  The company that
provided the foreigners to AIG, Syntel, was punished for paying foreigners
less than the prevailing wage.  I sought to sue AIG via 4 government
agencies.  This failed as they did nothing illegal, no matter the harm to
their employees.  I secured a job, but retirement benefits were destroyed
- in my 50's, I cannot start over.

There remain no protections to prevent abuse.  Protections in companies
that have H-1B's as 15% or greater of the workforce - body shops - do not
protect Americans.  And the H-1B worker has the incentive to not file a
complaint.  There remains lack of real regulatory oversight.  We cannot
support bills that virtually give open borders to foreign IT workers when
we have not addressed using available U.S. workers.  Thousands of Y2K
programmers are becoming available.  Do we throw them away?  Do we throw
away today's graduates when they advance in their careers and become
"expensive"?  It is disturbing that the average wage increase for workers
is 3.1%, but for CEO's is 37.8%.  This is the ethics from which the H-1B
rises up.

As qualified U.S. workers lose, or are not considered for jobs, foreign
workers are exploited.  H-1B's I know receive allowances with pay going
home short-circuiting U.S. payroll taxes, cheating our Treasury.  The
prevailing wage foreigners are to be paid is based on old numbers,
incorporates high skilled jobs into lower level job slots, does not
consider benefits nor annual wage increases.  H-1B 

[CTRL] Foreign Faces

1999-11-23 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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From Slate.Com

{{Begin}}

international papers

Hillary in Florence

By Alexander Chancellor


Hillary Clinton was the personality who most interested the Italian
newspapers at Sunday's "Third Way" summit conference in Florence,
where the leaders of the United States, Brazil, and various
European countries vainly sought a common political platform for
the world's parties of the center-left. They were not very kind
about her. La Repubblica of Rome said Monday that she failed to
make a widely anticipated speech because she has made so many
gaffes lately and that her decision to sit in on the conference as
a nonparticipant resulted in a special program for the leaders'
wives being canceled "at the last moment with zero warning and zero
courtesy."

Corriere della Sera of Milan said Clinton was upstaged by the
pregnant Cherie Blair, wife of British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
"It was to have been Hillary's triumph, her consecration as the
superstar of the first ladies, her takeoff point for the New York
seat in the United States Senate," the paper said. "Instead,
Hillary's star was obscured twice yesterday: first on the
Florentine stage by Cherie Blair, who with her pregnancy became the
protagonist of the Third Way conference, and second in the New York
electoral college where a Democratic member of the city council,
Ronnie Eldridge, declared in a loud voice what many think but have
till now only murmured--that the first lady should withdraw her
candidacy."

Corriere also ran a story about visits by Hillary and Chelsea
Clinton and Madeleine Albright to a market of Italian luxury goods
held in the foyer of Florence's Excelsior Hotel. The headline was
"Miss Albright cannot resist Florentine jewels." It said the
secretary of state much admired a white linen tablecloth but
rejected it on learning its price was about $2,500. She then bought
three purses and a candle before arriving at the jewelry stand.
"They gave her a discount, but the most powerful woman in the world

knows how to value the weight and the worth of things," the paper
said. "Before signing for the purchase of a choker, she weighed it
against the bracelet she was wearing on her wrist: It is three
times as heavy as the choker."

On the substance of the summit, Corriere noted in an editorial "the
profoundly different realities" of the United States and Britain on
the one hand and continental Europe on the other. The arduous
search for common policies to reconcile the "solidaristic" social
values of the left-wing parties of the continent with the rules of
the free market will continue long after Florence, the paper said.
While Corriere reported President Bill Clinton urging everyone to
imitate the American model, La Repubblica highlighted a speech by
France's socialist Prime Minister Lionel Jospin, a Third Way
skeptic, in which he denounced U.S. retention of the death penalty.

"We must be irreproachable in raising the problem of human rights
in developing countries by defending them with great rigor in our
own," Jospin said. "And for this I would like to see the death
penalty disappear in all democracies."

One issue preoccupying the British press Monday was where Tony and
Cherie Blair's forthcoming baby was conceived--was it in Tuscany or
in France during their summer vacation? Fending off questions about
this in an interview with La Repubblica, Tony Blair admitted that
he thought it would be a "British baby." Fevered study of the
diaries of the prime minister and his wife led most British papers
to conclude that their fourth child, due next May when Cherie will
be three months short of 46 years old, must have been conceived
while the couple were staying with Queen Elizabeth II at Balmoral,
her Scottish castle. The tabloid Daily Mirror even published a
photograph Monday of the bedroom in which it claimed the conception
had taken place.

Far the biggest story in Britain, however, was the disgrace of
millionaire novelist Lord Jeffrey Archer, who was forced to resign
at the weekend as the chosen Conservative Party candidate for mayor
of London after being exposed in the Mirror for using a false alibi
in a libel action 12 years ago. Archer won about $750,000 in
damages against tabloid newspaper the Daily Star after it alleged
that he had consorted with a prostitute. Archer now faces possible
criminal charges after admitting to getting a friend to lie that
they had dined together in a restaurant on one of the evenings in
question. In editorials Monday, almost all newspapers sharply
criticized Conservative Party leader William Hague for supporting
Archer's candidacy and praising his probity despite the novelist's
controversial past and warnings that he had further skeletons in
his closet.

As China's successful launch into orbit of its Shenzhou spacecraft
received saturation coverage in the state-controlled Chinese press,
a Chinese military expert told the China Business Times that the
test had major military implications. Song Yichang 

[CTRL] Prophets Galore: Can even one tell us what a City of God would be like?

1999-11-23 Thread Franklin Wayne Poley

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Subject: [LIFE-GAZETTE] City of God...What Would It Be Like?


Dear Frontline:

  I watched your program on "How I Learned to love the
Apocalypse and Stop Worrying."
Certainly people like Hagee love the Apocalypse as it makes a lot of money
for them. Perhaps Governments could get in on the business and run a lottery
on the time and date of the Apocalypse in order to balance their budgets.
   Pardon my sarcasm but your web site does invite feedback and of course
you are welcome to post this reply with the others on http://www.pbs.org.
More importantly though I would appreciate it if you would ask the "experts"
out there for their reply to my question which is "What would a CITY OF GOD
be like if built now on this planet?" During your two hour program you
referred to the work of St. Augustine on the "City of God" as an entity
built up in heaven by the True Church. However, if I remember my graduate
course in psch history correctly, Augustine was more than a reclusive
Churchocrat. He was also a Roman Administrator in North Africa (perhaps in
what is called Libya today) when the Old Empire was collapsing and the
barbarians were invading. Thus he had to apply what he knew of that City of
God to daily affairs.
   If there is only one Believer in that City of God left in a barbarian
culture/society/nation then you aren't going to get the full expression of
what we usually call a "city" or complete culture or civilization or
society. That one believer is still obliged to live as Godly a lifestyle as
possible under such circumstances. However, if Augustine had had the
opportunity and resources he would have built an entire city/culture/nation
according to the design of that City of God or as close to it as fallible
humans can come. In fact that is what happened in the centuries after
Augustine. Dozens of professedly Godly Societies calling themselves
Christian, Muslim and Jewish developed around the Mediterranean. Some of
those societies may have been better expressions of a "City of God" than
others. Some may have been utter failures in that respect. However, the
attempt is necessary as "Faith without works is dead."
   All through that time of developing "Godly Societies" as people
understood this collective manifestation of God's grace in this world, there
have been many doom-sayers and that is how your show brought in the
teachings of Augustine. That is, humankind's obligation is to practice a
Godly lifestyle, individually and collectively, subjectively and
objectively, spiritually and materiallyirrespective of what is happening
in this world. If the sky is falling we are still obligated to practice the
teachings of a City of God. Putting all that together we would have a City
of God manifested on earth if there are those on this planet who understand
what it is. Are there? That is my question to your experts.
   If people like John Hagee and Jerry Falwell (who appeared briefly on
your show) were honest they would admit that interpreting highly symbolic
prophetic sections of Scripture is a difficult task fraught with the
possibility of error. By contrast, O' how dogmatically certain they are!
Then they flee the light of truth which would come from Internet interaction
and discussion like cockroaches flee the light. Try a Yahoo search on them
and see what you get. Like their performances on television their web sites
are a one way street for the "pitch" and the other way all that is supposed
to happen is the flow of money into their coffers.
   I read on Pat Roberston's http://www.cbn.org that "Pat Answers Your
Email Questions". This is part of the lie-for-profit which is practiced by
people like Roberston, Falwell, Dobson, Hagee, Van Impe, Grahams (now with a
Junior Liar as well as a Senior Liar) etc. etc.  Pat Robertson wrote to me
ca. 1990 and personally signed the letter to say that even if it guaranteed
him the US Presidency in 2000 AD, he would not want to plan a City of God on
this earth. (You will recall that he had sought the Presidency in an earlier
campaign). But I'm not singling out Pat Robertson. This is a cabal of
criminal racketeers exploiting the US public in contravention of RICO Laws
(Racketeering in Corrupt Organizations) and defiling the teachings of God.
   If they were competent they would be able to tell you about a City of
God as surely as a competent dentist would tell you about a healthy tooth
vs. an unhealthy tooth. So ask them. And ask Vatican while you are at it.

Re: [CTRL] Prophets Galore: Can even one tell us what a City of God would be like?

1999-11-23 Thread Kelly

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Franklin Wayne Poley wrote:

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snip

That is where we stand today. Chretien, Manning and other lying,
 hypocritical God-hating politicians lead Canada straight into hell by
 opening the doors to barbarians from the four corners of the earth in the
 name of "Multiculturalism" without knowing or caring what a Godly Society
 would be like. Filthy child-murdering, sodomite-loving Christ haters and
 their boot lickers abound in the halls of political power.


Frankly, I find whoever wrote this scarier than all the Canadian
politicans put together.

Kelly

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[CTRL] (Fwd) [BRIGADE] PJB - Castro - WTO

1999-11-23 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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--- Forwarded Message Follows ---
From:   "Linda Muller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent:  Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:31:47 -0500
Subject:[BRIGADE] PJB - Castro - WTO
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Dear Brigade,

Did I tell you Pat is going to Seattle to protest the WTO?  Soon as I have
 details (if I ever get them) I'll pass them on.  I know thousands of
Brigade members will be out there too -- I hope all of you can hook up
with PJB.

Below is a column I found on Castro attending the WTO meeting and also an
email from Bill Hawkins on the US Chamber of Commerce promoting Castro's
visit.

GO PAT GO!
Linda

PS - This is an excellent website for you to find out more about the
Seattle WTO meeting and the WTO issue:
http://www.citizen.org/pctrade/gattwto/seattle/seattle.html

-

From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date sent:  Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:25:26 EST
Subject:Castro Invited by Business for WTO Meet
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Linda: I just got a copy of a U.S. Chamber of Commerce invitation to
attend a "business forum" with Fidel Castro during the Seattle WTO
meeting, Dec. 2 in the Winward Room of the Seattle Hilton Hotel, from 2-4
pm. The event is heralded "Trade in the 21st Century."

The heading reads "The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is Honored to Host a
Business Forum with President Fidel Castro (invited) and the Cuban Trade
Delegation to the WTO Ministerial."  Catch that word "Honored" applied to
meeting a mass murdering Marxist dictator! Anything for a buck, that's our
wonderful Chamber of Commerce. I checked their website, but this is not
listed on their "events" calendar, so perhaps they don't want this to get
around. There is no fee to register. Contact name is given as Amy Sandell
at (202) 463-3173. You are requested to register before Thanksgiving.

Maybe they can play a parlor game at the meeting based on "Who Wants to be
a Millionaire" (or given the audience, perhaps Billionaire would be more
appropriate)How many thousands of people did Castro order shot by
firing squad when he took power? How many troops did Castro send to fight
for Soviet causes in Africa? On what biological weapons projects are
Castro and the Chinese working together at facilities in Cuba? How much
money do Chamber members think they can make by helping Castro stay in
power?

--William Hawkins
Washington, DC

--

November 23, 1999  - Seattle Times

Castro in Seattle? Everyone plans on it

by Jack Broom and Roberto Sanchez Seattle Times staff reporters

Only one person knows for sure whether Cuban President Fidel Castro will
come to the World Trade Organization meeting next week, and that's Castro.


But everybody else is acting as if Cuba's communist leader is coming,
including the U.S. State Department, Seattle police, University of
Washington officials and area religious leaders. Even Cuban exile groups
in Miami are planning to come to Seattle with banners, legal challenges
and perhaps a blimp to protest his visit.

"I am sure that he will not arrive to Seattle without a protest by Cuban
exiles," said Ninoska Perez, spokeswoman for the Fundacion Nacional Cubano
Americana, an anti-Castro group.

"Seattle is a bit far away, and our time is short," said Ramon Saul
Sanchez, president of Movimiento Democracia, a Cuban-exile group that
organizes flotilla demonstrations to the edge of Cuban waters. "Right now,
our intention is to be present. . . . We're thinking about bringing a
blimp, not a gigantic one, with a message about human-rights violations."


Castro will be welcomed to Seattle - if he comes - by a committee
sponsored by the Church Council of Greater Seattle. Among events in the
works are appearances at two churches and the UW.

"Wherever there is a possibility of him going, all the preparations are
being made," said Doug Barnes of the Seattle Committee to Welcome the
Cuban Delegation. As of this morning, Castro had not yet applied for a
visa to visit the United States. State Department officials refused to
speculate on what factors would be taken into account if he does.

"We don't make visa decisions in advance of an application," said a State
Department spokesman who asked not to be identified. "If and when
President Castro applies, his application will be considered according
with U.S. law, and a decision will be made at that time."

Meanwhile, the hosts to the Cuban delegation to the World Trade
Organization are acting as if Castro is coming.

UW planning a Castro speech

David Fenner, director of international programs and exchanges at the
University of Washington, said the UW is accepting student and faculty
requests for tickets to a planned Dec. 2 speech by Castro at Meany Hall.
He said the Secret Service would manage security for the event, which
would 

[CTRL] Criminalising Dissent

1999-11-23 Thread Alamaine Ratliff

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Via
http://www.lewrockwell.com/

From
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/1999/12-06-99/vo15no24_dissent.htm

{{Begin}}
Vol. 15, No. 25
December 6, 1999
Table of Contents

Criminalizing Dissent
by William Norman Grigg
The FBI’s Project Megiddo, which warns against millennial terrorism, paints
constitutionalists, devout Christians, hate groups, and militias with the same
broad strokes.

Project Megiddo, the FBI’s "strategic assessment" of potential millennium-
related domestic terrorism, represents a significant victory in the radical
left’s "long march through the institutions" of U.S. law enforcement. The
report, which was unveiled on November 2nd at a conference of the International
Association of Chiefs of Police at Charlotte, North Carolina, has been
distributed to law enforcement agencies nationwide. While no author is
mentioned in the publicly available version of Project Megiddo, its contents
are largely indistinguishable from the materials generated by leftist
"watchdog" organizations such as the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and the
Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), which regularly furnish law enforcement
agencies with lurid reports intended to catechize law enforcement agencies
about the supposed threat posed by the "radical right."

This fact was not lost upon John Foster "Chip" Berlet of Political Research
Associates (PRA), a Marxist pressure group based in Boston. Berlet’s vita
includes such distinctions as his role in founding the "Chicago Area Friends of
Albania," a stint as contributing writer for the drug culture periodical High
Times, and participation in numerous Communist front groups, including the
National Lawyers Guild. In a November 1st e-mail message to the "Militia
Watchdog" mailing list (a restricted list whose membership includes law
enforcement and military personnel), Berlet complained that the FBI’s Megiddo
report "recapitulate[s] previously released reports and conference papers" from
both the PRA and the SPLC, among other sources.

To his credit, Berlet correctly pointed out that "the way the Megiddo report
has been leaked creates a hysterical atmosphere where law enforcement is likely
to overreact. Because of superficial reporting, the public is learning to lump
together ‘hate groups,’ militias, terrorists, and devout Christians." As one of
the "experts" on "right-wing extremism" frequently consulted by both the media
and law enforcement officials, Berlet has done a great deal to advance the
notion that Christian conservatives and constitutionalists occupy the same
continuum as terrorists and hate groups. Thus Berlet’s objections should be
viewed not as an illustration of his reasonableness, but rather of the FBI’s
radicalism.

Megiddo Genesis
During a May 13, 1997 Senate Appropriations Committee hearing on terrorism, FBI
Director Louis Freeh disclosed the existence of Presidential Decision Directive
39, which designated the FBI the "lead agency" for counter-terrorism efforts.
Freeh also explained that the FBI’s new counter-terrorism center "contains
representatives of 16 other federal agencies and … is dedicated for the first
time to a central collection [or] analytical point in the federal government
for threats, particularly those regarding domestic terrorism."

During the same hearing, as reported in these pages more than two years ago,
Freeh stipulated that the chief domestic terror threat emanates from "various
individuals, as well as organizations," who possess "an ideology which suspects
government and particularly the federal government, of world-order conspiracies
— individuals who, for various reasons, have organized themselves against the
United States." Possession of "ideologies inconsistent with principles of
federal government," declared Freeh, could be construed as a marker of criminal
or terrorist intentions.

While the Megiddo report is clearly a product of the FBI’s counter-terrorism
center, there are strong indications that the State and Local Anti-Terrorism
Training (SLATT) program was involved as well. As THE NEW AMERICAN recently
reported, SLATT is funded, through the Institute for Intergovernmental Research
(IIR), by a grant from the Justice Department’s Bureau of Justice Assistance
(BJA). The SLATT program is an outgrowth of the 1996 post-OKC bombing anti-
terrorism act; its purpose is to provide "anti-terrorism preparedness training"
to state and local police agencies, including "pre-incident awareness" training
to help identify potential terrorist threats.

Documents obtained by THE NEW AMERICAN under a Freedom of Information Act
request suggest that SLATT may have played a substantial role in composing
Megiddo. IIR’s 1998 proposal for the "continuation and expansion" of the SLATT
program states that the program’s main purposes include providing "state and
local law enforcement … [with] a general awareness and working knowledge of
domestic terrorist and ‘political’ extremist movements (including ideologies,
illegal activities, 

[CTRL] In search of Freedom

1999-11-23 Thread Yardbird

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Big Business has permeated every aspect of society with its twisted
manipulations.
"It is my estimation that Big Business not only capitalizes on our
fears, but also creates them and takes steps to keep them fresh in our
minds."  A Science of Manipulation is being used against the American Public.

I intend to fight this kind of manipulation and inform as many people
as I can of it along the way...
Let us make it illegal for profit modivated groups to influence mass media.

I have the profoundest belief in Human Ability.  It is through individual
efforts that we will know mental freedom as well as physical freedom.
Those of our brothers and sisters who fought and died in the Wars to
preserve our Freedom did not fight and die for a half-freedom.
They fought and died for a Whole Freedom.

TOXIC SLUDGE IS GOOD FOR YOU
by John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton

That book goes a long way in revealing just how dangerous this kind
of manipultion is.  You can check it out at a Public Library.  The book
is also cataloged in the Library of Congress under corrupt practices.
To know my views on this kind of manipulation drawn from experience,
insight,and my belief in God-surf on in

   Journals of a Concerned Citizen
[http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Congress/7940]

KEEP THE DRIVE ALIVE
Plz fwd to friends
God Bless

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[CTRL] Fw: :Bilderberg

1999-11-23 Thread Mrs. Jela Jovanovic, Secretary General

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  BILBERBERG GROUP
  SECRET MINUTES REVEALED
  by David Icke


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  The British publication, The Big Issue, which is
sold on the streets by unemployed people, claims to
  have been leaked minutes from this year's
meeting of the Bilderberg Group which took place in
  Portugal.

  Here is their report with my comments in
parenthesis.

  Title: 'Bilderberg': Secret Minutes Revealed for
the first time in 50 years

  Date: 15 NOV '99
  Author: Gibby Zobel
  Source: The Big Issue, London

  For nearly 50 years an elite group of the West's
most powerful men and women, including Bill Clinton
  and Tony Blair, has met in secret. Today The Big
Issue can reveal for the first time the confidential
  minutes The Bilderberg Papers of what some
commentators have called a shadow world government.


  The clandestine meetings do not make policy, yet
directly inform the thinking of world leaders. This
  years meeting took place in June under armed
guard at the exclusive Caesar Park Hotel, Penha
  Longa, Portugal. Northern Ireland secretary of
state Peter Mandelson, Conservative MP Kenneth
  Clarke, and environmentalist Jonathon Porritt
attended and mixed with presidents, chairmen of
  multinational companies, world bankers, Nato
chiefs and defence ministers.

  The 64-page leaked document reveals the group
was advised that after Kosovo, Russia now has
  carte blanche to intervene in Chechnya. Nato
will not bomb Moscow if Russia invades Chechnya.
  Two hundred thousand Chechens have been forced
to flee their homes since Russia began bombing
  last month. Last week the Clinton administration
accused Russia of breaking international law. But
  the minutes make clear that world leaders are
operating in an environment where international law
  has become obsolete and where Nato is in danger
of effectively becoming a colonial power.

  In another debate, How Durable is the Current
Rosy Complexion of European Politics?, Britain's cuts
  in welfare were put into sharp context. The new
Left, argued one Briton, was consolidating the
  victories of the Right. The electoral failures
of the Right had largely been self-inflicted, and the
Left
  may well prove to be better at reforming the
welfare state. With 17 million unemployed, it might be
  easier for somebody who claimed to be a
socialist to impose change. Welfare, one panellist
thought,
  would be the Red man's burden. Governments had
to think like business people. But not every
  socialist government in Europe has bitten the
bullet the group talked of Germany, France and Italy's
  lack of guts for welfare cuts.

  (THE CREATION OF THE "WELFARE STATE" TO CREATE
DEPENDENCY AND THEN THE DESTRUCTION
  OF THAT WELFARE STRUCTURE TO LEAVE PEOPLE
HELPLESS AND FORCED TO DO WHATEVER THEY
  ARE TOLD TO SURVIVE HAS BEEN ONE OF THE KEY
PLANS OF THE ILLUMINATI IN THE 2OTH
  CENTURY. TONY BLAIR, THE BRITISH PRIME MINISTER
AND BILDERBERG PUPPET, HAS BEEN PUT IN
  THERE TO DO JUST THAT.

  IT IS ALSO A WELL TESTED TECHNIQUE TO USE
"SOCIALIST" PARTIES WITH AN IMAGE OF "CARING
  FOR THE DOWNTRODDEN" TO INTRODUCE THESE CHANGES
WHICH RIGHT-LEANING PARTIES WITH AN
  IMAGE FOR NOT CARING FOR THE DOWNTRODDEN, WOULD
NOT GET AWAY WITH.)

  Governments fear of social unrest was the major
reason for lack of action. As a British panellist
  noted: Things would only change when the cost of
not doing anything really did seem larger than
  that of doing something. Most of the group
thought the new European Left was just a genetically
  modified version of the old one. It is simply a
rotation of power, said one German. In many cases the
  real power lies with central banks. This idea
was given greater emphasis by discussions about the
  introduction of dollarisation.

  The Bilderberg papers reveal:

  - Nato has given Russia carte blanche to
intervene in Chechnya
  - After the euro, a global currency
dollarisation may be the next step
  - Post-Kosovo, Nato is in danger of mimicking a
colonial empire
  - Its easier to cut welfare benefits if you call
yourself a socialist

  HIDDEN AGENDA - FEATURE

  In the first of a two-part series, Gibby Zobel
uncovers how the global power elite decides our future
  at the shadowy Bilderberg Summit each year.
Documents from the secret summit - leaked to The Big
  Issue - reveal what they said about money and
war.

  For nearly 50 years an elite group of the West's
most powerful men and women, a shadow world
  government, have met in secret. Tony Blair is in
the club. Every US 

[CTRL] 10 Reasons to Dismantle the WTO

1999-11-23 Thread earthman

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10 Reasons to Dismantle the WTO
By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman

Add a new constituency to the long list of World Trade Organization (WTO)
critics which already includes consumers, labor, environmentalists, human
rights activists, fair trade groups, AIDS activists, animal protection
organizations, those concerned with Third World development, religious
communities, women's organizations. The latest set of critics includes WTO
backers and even the WTO itself.

As the WTO faces crystallized global opposition -- to be manifested in
massive street demonstrations and colorful protests in Seattle, where the
WTO will hold its Third Ministerial meeting from November 30 to December 3
-- the global trade agency and its strongest proponents veer between a
shrill defensiveness and the much more effective strategy of admitting
shortcomings and trumpeting the need for reform.

WTO critics now face a perilous moment. They must not be distracted by
illusory or cosmetic reform proposals, nor by even more substantive
proposals for changing the WTO -- should they ever emerge from the
institution or its powerful rich country members. Instead, they should
unite around an uncompromising demand to dismantle the WTO and its
corporate-created rules.

Here are 10 reasons why:

1. The WTO prioritizes trade and commercial considerations over all other
values. WTO rules generally require domestic laws, rules and regulations
designed to further worker, consumer, environmental, health, safety, human
rights, animal protection or other non-commercial interests to be
undertaken in the "least trade restrictive" fashion possible -- almost
never is trade subordinated to these noncommercial concerns.

2. The WTO undermines democracy. Its rules drastically shrink the choices
available to democratically controlled governments, with violations
potentially punished with harsh penalties. The WTO actually touts this
overriding of domestic decisions about how economies should be organized
and corporations controlled. "Under WTO rules, once a commitment has been
made to liberalize a sector of trade, it is difficult to reverse," the WTO
says in a paper on the benefits of the organization which is published on
its web site. "Quite often, governments use the WTO as a welcome external
constraint on their policies: 'we can't do this because it would violate
the WTO agreements.'"

3. The WTO does not just regulate, it actively promotes, global trade. Its
rules are biased to facilitate global commerce at the expense of efforts
to promote local economic development and policies that move communities,
countries and regions in the direction of greater self-reliance.

4. The WTO hurts the Third World. WTO rules force Third World countries to
open their markets to rich country multinationals, and abandon efforts to
protect infant domestic industries. In agriculture, the opening to foreign
imports, soon to be imposed on developing countries, will catalyze a
massive social dislocation of many millions of rural people.

5. The WTO eviscerates the Precautionary Principle. WTO rules generally
block countries from acting in response to potential risk -- requiring a
probability before governments can move to resolve harms to human health
or the environment.

6. The WTO squashes diversity. WTO rules establish international health,
environmental and other standards as a global ceiling through a process of
"harmonization;" countries or even states and cities can only exceed them
by overcoming high hurdles.

7. The WTO operates in secrecy. Its tribunals rule on the "legality" of
nations' laws, but carry out their work behind closed doors.

8. The WTO limits governments' ability to use their purchasing dollar for
human rights, environmental, worker rights and other non-commercial
purposes. In general, WTO rules state that governments can make purchases
based only on quality and cost considerations.

9. The WTO disallows bans on imports of goods made with child labor. In
general, WTO rules do not allow countries to treat products differently
based on how they were produced -- irrespective of whether made with
brutalized child labor, with workers exposed to toxics or with no regard
for species protection.

10. The WTO legitimizes life patents. WTO rules permit and in some cases
require patents or similar exclusive protections for life forms.

Some of these problems, such as the WTO's penchant for secrecy, could
potentially be fixed, but the core problems -- prioritization of
commercial over other values, the constraints on democratic
decision-making and the bias against local economies -- cannot, for they
are inherent in the WTO itself.

Because of these unfixable problems, the World Trade Organization should
be shut down, sooner rather than later.

That doesn't mean interim steps shouldn't be taken. It does mean that
beneficial reforms will focus not on adding new areas of competence to the
WTO or enhancing its authority, even if the new areas 

[CTRL] OEN 11/23/99

1999-11-23 Thread Kris Millegan

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from:
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Click Here: A HREF="http://www.aci.net/kalliste/"The Home Page of J. Orlin
Grabbe/A
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Fin-de-Siecle


Fed Sells Y2K Liquidity Options


Just in case you run out of money--have we got a deal for you.

The New York Federal Reserve has sold almost $370bn in "liquidity options" to
leading banks in an effort to quell panic about the millennium bug.

Bankers said the popularity of the options, which offer buyers insurance
against the possibility that markets could dry up because of Y2K problems,
had already eased fears about the bug.

The New York Fed, which conducts open market operations on behalf of the US
Federal Reserve in Washington, said it is planning further auctions of
liquidity options in the next few weeks.

The Fed's unprecedented venture into options sales has turned it into one of
the biggest derivatives dealers in the world - an unaccustomed role for the
guardian of US monetary stability.

The liquidity options are especially popular with marketmakers, because they
assure their funding even if financial markets should suddenly dry up over
the end of the year.

"The markets were expecting liquidity to get progressively worse as the
millennium approached, but liquidity has improved in the past two weeks,"
said Avinash Persaud, head of global research at State Street Bank. "Part of
this can be attributed to the success of the Fed's liquidity options."

The options, which are legitimate for five days and encompass three five-day
periods starting December 23, December 30 and January 6, give the holder the
right to access cash from the Fed at a "strike" price of 150 basis points
over the Fed funds rate.

This means the options would be exercised if liquidity dried up to such an
extent that it was only available from the normal inter-bank market at a
higher spread than 150 basis points over the Fed funds rate.

Bankers say that the popularity of the options combined with the Fed's
decision to expand the pool of collateral available to the market to borrow
money from its discount window had significantly eased fears of a liquidity
crunch over the millennium.

"We believe the markets have understood our message that we want the
transition to the new millennium to be as smooth as possible," said an
official at the Fed in New York.

Concerns have also been eased by the belief in bond markets that there is
little possibility that the Federal Reserve and the European central banks
will raise interest rates in the near future.

The Fed and other central banks have printed additional supplies of banknotes
in case of a rush by individuals to hold cash over the new year.
The Financial Times, November 23, 1999


Oil Market


Iraq Embargo Drives Oil Price to 9-Year High


More New World Disorder.

World oil prices leapt to a nine-year high yesterday after Iraq began
implementing a weekend threat to halt 2.2m barrels a day of exports under the
United Nations oil-for-food programme.

The Iraqi move appeared to be intended to exploit divisions in the UN
security council over the international community's sanctions regime imposed
on Iraq after its 1990 invasion of Kuwait.

It came as security council members negotiated ways to relax mandatory
sanctions on Iraq in exchange for Baghdad agreeing to a new arms control
regime. The US and Britain have argued that any easing of sanctions should
only go ahead after Baghdad has demonstrated that it will co-operate with UN
arms inspectors. France, Russia and China have advocated a more relaxed
approach.

In London, oil prices opened at $25.90 a barrel, the highest level since the
1991 Gulf War, after Amir Mohammed Rasheed, Iraq's oil minister, confirmed
that Baghdad would not agree to a proposed two-week extension of the current
phase of a programme under which Iraq is allowed to export oil to fund food
and medicine imports.

In late trading the January futures contract for Brent oil, an international
price benchmark, was quoted at $25.58 a barrel, 51 cents up on Friday's close.

The Iraqi decision highlighted Baghdad's ability to disrupt world oil markets
in spite of the tight sanctions regime.

Diplomats pointed out that until Baghdad made its surprise announcement on
Saturday, Iraq had been working normally with UN staff on details of a new,
seventh, six-month phase of the oil-for-food programme, due to start shortly.
Under the programme Iraq is allowed to sell $5.2bn worth of oil every six
months.

Kofi Annan, the UN secretary-general, yesterday expressed optimism that a way
would be found to defuse the latest crisis over sanctions.

The security council is trying to agree on a new sanctions package that would
allow for foreign investment in Iraq's oil industry, while ensuring that the
arms embargo stayed.

Madeleine Albright, the US secretary of state, said Iraq had once again
"shown its true colours . . . by turning down the possibility of having more
food and medicine for its people by selling more oil".

A 

[CTRL] Confused Snow Geese

1999-11-23 Thread earthman

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Just another observation from another list..

Peter

From: m guzman [EMAIL PROTECTED]

One more item before I close down this machine for the day.  I just ran
outside to watch thousands of Snow Geese overhead; they have been gathering
in huge, noisy flocks on a nearby lake.  They are supposed to be migrating
south (late at that, due to the long warm spell) but today they are flying
in every direction as if in total confusion.  Long v's start off one way
then arc about and fly off at 90  degrees then turn again while other lines
criss-cross them and yet more lines circle through those and still more
lines move randomly through them...   I have watched migrating birds for
many years and have never witnessed such a chaotic pattern, or lack of it.
Can any of you experts tell me if something is going on with Earth's
magnetic field?



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Re: [CTRL] Y2K Movie Tonight

1999-11-23 Thread nessie

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Could they actually bring it about? I think so.

I think not. However they could certainly raise some local hell where they
strike.

For details, see: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/5.html

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[CTRL] Analysis: The Russian Military: In Bad Shape?

1999-11-23 Thread Bill Richer

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Analysis: The Russian Military: In Bad Shape?
Col. Stanislav Lunev
November 23, 1999

On October 25 Nikolai Mikhailov, first deputy defense minister of the RF
(Russian Federation), shocked the international community by his strong
statements to the press. At a time when the RF is still in dire economic
straits, dependent on Western money for its very survival, Mikhailov warned
that his country’s military has enough weaponry to overwhelm any
antiballistic-missile system in the US. He warned further that the RF will
deploy more nuclear warheads if the U.S. continues its efforts to develop an
anti-missile defense system. Mikhailov stated categorically, "This technology
can realistically be used and will be used if the United States pushes us to
it."
The US reaction to these words came from Secretary of State Madeleine K.
Albright. In her speech to the Chicago Council on Foreign Relations (November
10) she disclosed, "A Russian defense official recently proclaimed that his
nation has the ability to overwhelm the missile defense system we are
planning." "[T]hat is true — and part of our point," she added.

These statements run counter to the standard reports in the US about the
supposed deterioration of the Russian military and its demise as a major
threat to the international community. Evidently the US media have been
negligent in investigating the true state of the Russian war machine. Mr.
Mikhailov, however, is an expert in these matters. Before his appointment as
RF deputy defense minister he had spent 35 years working in both the Soviet
and Russian military-industrial complexes.

He has inside knowledge, then, that the Russian defense industry is
accelerating its buildup of a new generation of weapons systems. Mikhailov,
after all, is a primary mover behind the Russian General Staff’s plan to
implement the new ten-year arms-development program for completion by 2010.

The Russian military has already begun operational deployment of the
second-generation mobile-launch-based Topol-M ICBM, a weapon the US does not
possess and also has not yet allocated funds to develop. The Russian VPK
(Voenno Promishlenni Komplex — Military Industrial Complex) has also
introduced a new generation of nuclear warheads as well as a new stealth
bomber and a stealth cruise missile — which could reach US territory over the
Polar Circle.

As further examples, the RF has under construction (1) the fifth-generation
Borei-class ballistic-missile submarine, (2) a new submarine-based ballistic
missile, (3) the Akula-2-class nuclear attack submarine (Shark), and (4) the
new Severodvinsk-class nuclear attack submarine. The VPK is likewise
continuing to modernize its army, navy and air force, not to mention further
developing chemical, biological, nuclear, and other types of mass-destruction
weapons.

The list of Russian weaponry could be extended many pages. Some of the new
weapons do not have any counterparts in the arsenals of the West. According
to the Russian General Staff these programs are to be in place by 2010 so
that Moscow can regain the former stature of the USSR. Russia is determined
to gain pre-eminence in unique nuclear and laser technologies for new types
of systems.

With the war in Chechnya, Russian military spending has increased about 1.5
times; and the increases are expected to continue. The Russian General Staff
is requesting a gradual increase in military expenditures from 2.8 percent of
GDP (Gross Domestic Product) in 1999 to between 6 and 6.5 percent by 2005.

The war in Chechnya has led also to an increase in military and
special-services personnel, especially in the number and quality of the
ground forces, which had been lacking in well trained professionals. During
the last few months the Russian units in Chechnya have received new weaponry
in such quantities as to represent a violation of the CFET (Conventional
Forces in Europe Treaty).

Obviously, the RF does not need state-of-the-art weapons systems for the
military action in Chechnya. They are ultimately intended for future
full-scale wars against countries considered by the Russian General Staff to
be "major potential military adversaries." This intention is clear from
recent "West-99" field exercises, the largest since 1985, during which
Russian military commanders ordered simulated nuclear strikes against NATO
countries, including the continental United States.

This intention is also evident in a recent statement of RF Defense Minister
Igor Sergeev, who on November 12 accused the United States of stirring up the
war in Chechnya as part of a plot to weaken its former superpower adversary.
He is quoted as saying, "U.S. national interests require that the military
conflict in the North Caucasus, fanned from the outside, keeps constantly
smoldering."

It is interesting to note here that Sergeev didn't speak about fighting
against "international 

[CTRL] Chechnya Reiteration of Tragedy

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Chechnya — Reiteration of Tragedy
Col. Stanislav Lunev
November 2, 1999

There is yet another new and dangerous development in "democratic" Russia. In
the aftermath of recent events in Dagestan, RF (Russian Federation) troops
have once more invaded the Republic of Chechnya in the Northern Caucasus,
where RF warplanes are daily bombing the small breakaway republic as part of
a plan to turn it into a "sanitized" zone, as the expression goes.
Hiding behind popular slogans about fighting "international terrorism," RF
authorities have determined to destroy Chechnya's government and
infrastructure including its cities and towns. The number of fatalities in
the civilian population already counts in the thousands, and the number of
refugees is estimated at hundreds of thousands.

RF leaders refuse to recognize the Chechen government as legitimate and
recognize in its place the newly organized Chechen State Council, formed in
1996 by Russian authorities and consisting of a pro-Russian Chechen
parliament. As Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin has stated, Russia will
only acknowledge as legitimate this little-known group of Chechen
parliamentarians currently exiled in Moscow.

Taking advantage of an opening in Chechen defenses, the Russian military
ordered troops into Chechnya — and in such great numbers that it violated the
Conventional Forces in Europe (CFE) agreement. This is just one of the many
examples of Moscow's contempt for treaties and other international agreements
when its own interests are concerned. Few in the West seem willing to learn
from past lessons.

Using the political climate created by events in Chechnya, the RF National
Security Council, in early October, began to reconsider its "Main Concept"
doctrine. According to the Main Concept doctrine, the Russian military will
reserve the right to use nuclear weapons whenever conventional weapons prove
ineffective. The RF government is also requesting parliament to increase the
military budget to 1.5 of its present size.

In reality, the conflict in the Northern Caucasus constitutes a full-scale
war. Many experts predict it will be especially barbaric as well as very
damaging to the RF itself. They are expecting the same counterproductive
outcome as the 1995-96 war with Chechnya. This isn't because of the lack of
training or skill in guerrilla warfare by the RF Army but because of the lack
of popular support for renewed devastation in a region that still hasn't
recovered from the previous war.

The real "justification," the hidden agenda behind this action, is to keep
Yeltsin and his "Family" of thugs in power. Otherwise, after the coming
election, they may find themselves behind bars. The Family will try to
forestall the elections by declaring a state of emergency in order to keep
themselves in the Kremlin. They know that the populace is deathly sick of
them and of their drunken, half-crazed leader, Boris Yeltsin.

Last month Konstantin Borovoi, the State Duma deputy, claimed that a Russian
military- intelligence officer had given him advance warning of the impending
wave of terrorist bombings in Russian cities. Borovoi speculated that the
Russian authorities might themselves have been responsible since they had an
interest in provoking further instability in Chechnya.

On September 29, Russian TV (Channel ORT) quoted an unidentified Russian
politician — possibly the well-known governor of Krasnojarsk Oblast, General
Lebed — as strongly suspecting that the bombings in Russian cities are
connected with events in Dagestan and were organized by high- ranking Russian
officials. This politician likewise concludes that these leaders are trying
to stay in power by creating mass fear in order to have an excuse to suspend
elections.

RF Prime Minister Vladimir Putin immediately countered these allegations by
denying they were made by General Lebed and called them "total delirium." But
Putin is a pawn in the Family's game of musical chairs with the Russian prime
ministry. He is being used to serve Family interests and may be unaware of
the real plans and intentions of the Kremlin bosses.

What other reason is there to explain why Alesandr Voloshin met well-known
terrorist Shamil Basayev in France exactly one month before the terrorist
attacks in Dagestan? After all, Basayev has been officially outlawed as an
"international terrorist" and is wanted also by Interpol. The Russian press
(Segodnya) reported that Voloshin, a Berzovsky protégé, had met in secret
with Chechen rebel leader Basayev just prior to the Muslim uprising in
Dagestan.

Mr. Berzovsky, who is financial advisor to Yeltsin's Family and guardian of
its enormous wealth, presented a "little gift" of $2 million in cash to
Shamil Basayev, who later confessed receipt of the gift before the Islamic
Shariat Court. Another Russian newspaper (Sovershenno Secretno, #9, '99)
reported that the 

[CTRL] Biography of Colonel Stanislav Lunev

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Biography of Colonel Stanislav Lunev



STANISLAV LUNEV
BIOGRAPHY HIGHLIGHTS
Colonel Stanislav Lunev is the highest-ranking military officer ever to
defect from Russia to the United States. Col. Lunev defected in 1992, after
Boris Yeltsin came to power.

Lunev’s information to the CIA, DIA, FBI and other national security agencies
was deemed so vital, he was placed in the FBI’s Witness Protection Program.

As one of Russia’s top GRU agents in America, Lunev was involved in making
Russian war plans against America, as well as ferreting out American military
secrets.

Some of Lunev’s information was revealed in the 1997 bestseller "Through the
Eyes of the Enemy”(Regnery). Among many revelations, Lunev reported that
Russia is preparing a surprise nuclear attack against America.

Lunev’s credentials are impeccable.

Born in Leningrad in 1946 to the family of a Soviet Army listed officer, he
was later raised in the Sochi/Black Sea resort area.
As a youth, Lunev was recruited for an elite military academy, the the
Suvharov Military School in Vladikavkaz, Northern Caucasus.
In 1964, Lunev began studies at the Joint Arms High Command Military Academy,
the Soviet equivalent of the U.S. Army West Point Academy, with civilian
specialization in math and physics.
As a young officer, Lunev began regular military service in the Southern
Group of Soviet Armed Forces, Hungary. He was promoted to Group Commander,
Platoon Commander and Company Commander in a Deep-Reconnaissance Company, a
special operartions force.

In 1971 Lunev entered Moscow’s Military Political Academy Law School, where
he graduated with honors in 1975. Between 1975-1978 received specialized
intelligence training in the GRU's Military-Diplomatic Academy.
As his first field assignment in the GRU, Lunev was sent in 1978 to Singapore
under civilian cover as a student at Nanyang University, University of
Southern Seas.
In 1979 he returned to Moscow as a GRU Operational Officer, assigned to the
First Special GRU's Sub-Directorate, only one military unit authorized for
the recruitment of foreigners inside Russia.
In 1980, Lunev began assignment in China as a spy, claiming to be a TASS
journalist.
From 1983 until 1988, Col. Lunev was the GRU Operational Officer in the First
Special GRU's Sub-Directorate under cover as a TASS Correspondent.

In 1988 Col. Lunev was assigned to the GRU Field Office in Washington, D.C.
as a GRU Intelligence Officer. In 1992 he defected to U.S. authorities.
During his time with the GRU, Col. Lunev was awarded dozens of Soviet
Military Awards.






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[CTRL] China Points More Missiles at Taiwan

1999-11-23 Thread Bill Richer

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China Points More Missiles at Taiwan
NewsMax.com
November 23, 1999

Communist China is tightening its military and psychological pressure on
Taiwan, aiming nearly 100 more deadly missiles at the little island across
the Formosa Strait.
To accommodate those additional rockets, the Chinese People's Liberation Army
is expanding its missile base at Yangang, only 275 miles from Taiwan, which
China is determined to bring back under its control.

United States spy satellites discovered the new construction work in progress
a month ago, according to the Washington Times, which said the expanded base
will house the latest Chinese missiles, capable of delivering small nuclear
warheads 300 miles.

Through espionage, China has obtained top-secret U.S. technology for building
just such a small nuclear warhead.

China's relatively short-range missiles were displayed for the first time
Oct. 1 in Beijing at a Communist Party celebration of the 50th anniversary of
the founding of the People's Republic of China.

Although these missiles can carry nuclear tips, Pentagon officials said they
will be armed with non-nuclear ordnance, including deep-penetrating warheads
for use against concrete bunkers, anti-personnel cluster bombs and
electromagnetic-pulse devices that disrupt electronic equipment, according to
the Times.

It is especially difficult to strike back at these missiles, for they are
mounted on trucks, enabling them to fire fast and relocate quickly.

The newspaper cited a recent Defense Intelligence Agency report that China is
rapidly upgrading its missiles aimed at Taiwan from a few hundred already in
place along the coast to as many as 650 within the next five years.

An earlier Pentagon report to Congress said China will produce "a large
arsenal of highly accurate and lethal theater missiles . . . a "revolutionary
departure" from its previous military deployments near Taiwan.

"The focus on Taiwan may reflect a view within the People's Liberation Army
that force eventually may have to be used," the report said.

The Times said the Clinton administration has tried to downplay, even ignore,
Beijing's missile buildup.

It cited State Department spokesman James Foley, who in February said:

"Reports that suggest that there has been a sudden new deployment are wrong.
As part of its military modernization, China has been deploying missiles for
some time."

And it quoted one U.S. government expert on the Chinese military:

"Both Beijing and the State Department are in agreement that Taiwan does not
deserve adequate missile defenses, while both are also in agreement that the
U.S. and Taiwan should ignore Beijing's blossoming ballistic missiles."

To read more about China's growing missile threat, see these recent
NewsMax.com stories:






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[CTRL] More Elderly Drivers Mean Safety Concerns Grow

1999-11-23 Thread Bill Richer

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 Old and on the Road
More Elderly Drivers Mean Safety Concerns Grow


Ed Taaffe, 85, demonstrates hand turning signals as he takes a driving test
to renew his California driver's license at the Department of Motor Vehicles
in San Francisco. (Eric Risberg / AP Photo)


By Dick Crary
The Associated Press
S A N   F R A N C I S C O,   Nov. 22 — It was a baby-boomer anthem: having
fun, fun, fun ‘til Daddy takes the T-Bird away. But as car-crazy boomers age
into grandparents, the question is becoming: when to take Daddy’s license
away.
 At the American Gerontological Society’s annual meeting this week, and
around the country, experts are trying to figure out how to get unsafe older
drivers off the road without unfairly penalizing those who drive well.
 Statistics show that drivers over 65, along with teen-agers, have the
highest accident rates per miles driven. But proposals in several states to
toughen requirements for older drivers have been thwarted recently by
senior-citizen lobbying groups who say age-based measures are discriminatory.
 “There are good drivers and bad drivers of all ages,” said Nina
Glasgow, a Cornell University researcher who opposes age-based testing and
favors screening targeted at all unsafe drivers.
Few Tests for Older Drivers
Several states require elderly drivers to renew their licenses more
frequently than other drivers, but very few require road tests or medical
exams.
 Lawrence Nitz, a political scientist from the University of Hawaii,
presented a three-year study of Hawaiian traffic records at the
gerontological meeting. It found that drivers over 75 were far more likely
than other motorists to be cited for certain offenses, including failing to
yield to pedestrians, backing up unsafely and failing to stop at a flashing
red light.
 To deal with elderly problem drivers, Nitz suggested a phased removal of
driving privileges comparable to the phased adding of privileges for young
drivers. For example, an older driver might be barred from driving at night
or restricted to an area near home.

Many Need Transportation
Other experts argued that most elderly drivers regulate themselves
effectively, knowing when to avoid nighttime or highway driving. Some
cautioned that any extra push to get older drivers off the roads could have
negative effects — isolating residents in areas without good public transit
and reducing their independence.
 Glasgow said her research has shown that elderly drivers are more likely
to participate in club and church activities than non-drivers.
 “There’s a risk to ceasing driving,” she said. “People who have
stopped driving tend to have lower morale.”
 Anita Myers of the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, said her
province had a stringent license-renewal policy dating to 1936. Drivers over
80 must renew their licenses every two years and take a 90-minute driver
education class.

Many Liked Driving Tips
Myers surveyed elderly drivers about the procedure and found them generally
tolerant. The mandatory class drew high marks, she said: “They loved the
defensive driving tips.”
 Road tests were part of Ontario’s renewal requirements until 1996, but
the tests are now required only for selected drivers with questionable safety
records.
 With the number of elderly drivers increasing rapidly across the
continent, it becomes less and less feasible for authorities to institute
mandatory road tests on any broad basis.
 As an alternative, experts are seeking quicker, cheaper ways to identify
high-risk drivers. A major study is taking place in Maryland, monitoring
vision, alertness and reflexes among more than 2,000 volunteer older drivers
in hopes of developing effective and relatively simple screening procedures.

AARP Clout Downed Change
Legislative efforts to toughen requirements in Oregon and California failed
this year following lobbying against the bills by the American Association of
Retired People.
 The Oregon bill would have required drivers over 80 to renew their
licenses every two years, instead of four, and to take driving and medical
tests.
 In California, state Sen. Tom Hayden abandoned an attempt to require
road tests for drivers over 75 when it become clear in September that his
measure lacked the needed votes.
 “It’s discriminatory to base mandatory testing on the fact that someone
has achieved a birthday,” said Helen Savage, one of the AARP lobbyists who
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[CTRL] Bill Clinton's America: Getting Weaker By The Week

1999-11-23 Thread Bill Richer

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Peace at any cost is a prelude to war!



Bill Clinton's America: Getting Weaker By The Week
Oliver North
November 23, 1999

Washington: Hardly a week goes by that our beloved leader, William The
Impeached, doesn't do something harmful to America's long term security
interests. This week is no exception. Before leaving for another failed
"summit" with his buddy Boris, the Butcher of Chechnya, Clinton dispatched
his wife to the Middle East where she set the peace process back a few years.
While she was gone, he closed a deal to welcome Communist China into "the
family of nations;" bailed out U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan with
American tax dollars; and launched another attack on America's military
readiness. And he did it all with the acquiescence of a Republican-led
Congress. Who says a lame duck can't get anything done?

Clinton could not have known in advance that his wife would embarrass the
U.S. by sitting mute while Mrs. Arafat launched into a diatribe about the
Israelis using poison gas against Palestinian women and children.

But true to form, "The Comeback Kid," brushed off the criticism faster than a
White House intern and bounced back with the "great news" that U.S. Trade
Representative Charlene Barshefsky and Economic Advisor Gene Sperling had
"negotiated a framework" for China to join the World Trade Organization (WTO).

After 13 years of lobbying three U.S. presidents, the wonderful folks who
soaked the cobblestones of Tianenmen Square with the blood of thousands of
their countrymen a decade ago will get what they have long sought --
legitimization for their regime in the eyes of the "world community."

The sterling fellows whose spies ripped off our nuclear labs and stole our
most sensitive secrets will also get permanent Most Favored Nation trading
status. When Beijing and its one billion consumers are admitted to the WTO,
Congress will no longer be able to preserve even the fig leaf that someone in
the U.S. government cares more about human rights than almighty profits.

And what do we get out of this supposedly wonderful deal? China has agreed to
double the number of Hollywood movies it allows into the country each year.
Sounds great; until you read the fine print and discover that the folks who
send us cut-rate clothes, machine tools and athletic shoes made with slave
labor only allowed Tinsel Town to send in 10 movies last year.

"Not fair," says the Clinton Trade Team; the WTO deal also helps American
farmers. What do they get? Tariffs on agricultural products will be reduced a
whopping half percentage point from 15 percent to 14.5 percent. Meanwhile,
has anyone even noticed that the annual U.S. trade deficit with Communist
China has now grown to a cool $57 billion?

But when you're in search of a legacy, money doesn't matter. What does matter
is what people in the "International Community" say about you, and how you
are seen.

That's why Clinton took a walk through the wreckage of another Turkish
earthquake, why he was photographed with American troops digging in for
another bitter winter in the Balkans, and why, just before he left for his
most recent foreign excursion, he proudly announced that the U.S. would
"finally pay its debt to the United Nations."

Forget that Kofi Annan is paid more than the president of the United States.
Forget that Annan and his fellow globocrats live in posh Manhattan digs and
troll New York City in chauffeur-driven limousines.

Thanks to Bill Clinton and a Congress anxious to get home for the holidays,
the Secretary General of the United Nations has a cool one billion dollars of
American cash to use as international walking around money.

And here's the saddest part of all this global wheeling and dealing: It's all
being done against the backdrop of an ever-weaker U.S. military. Just before
he blew out of town for his foreign junket, the Commander-in-Chief was
presented with further evidence of the appalling state of readiness in our
armed forces.

A week ago, it was the U.S. Army, announcing that two of its ten divisions
were so short of troops, equipment and training that they could not go to
war. This week, it was the Navy. The Eisenhower Carrier Battle Group, set to
deploy to the Middle East, won't be combat ready without being able to use
the live-fire training ranges on Puerto Rico's Vieques Island.

And, the U.S. nuclear submarine force, the cutting edge of American maritime
offensive and defensive power, must start going to sea with women aboard in
order to maintain adequate crew levels. Ah, what a legacy.

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[CTRL] FW: The true Rational Explanation for the LFAS?

1999-11-23 Thread Dave

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Information for "USO" unidenfied submarine objects sightings,  conjecture
relating LFAS /SURTASS with undersea WARFARE.

Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


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Cc: Cheryl A. Magill; Nick Oredson; Dave Kupelian
Subject: The true "Rational Explanation" for the LFAS?


Taken from http://currents.net/newstoday/99/08/23/news1.html

The US Navy's stated purpose for testing LFAS (Low Frequency Active Sonar)
is to better equip themselves so as to identify and track a potential
threat to our nation's security. With the USA deploying the defacto
standard of the highest submarine technology, what's the Navy so worried
about? Several people have brought up the idea of there being UFO/USO
related incidents surrounding this littoral warfare research. For this
reason, I consulted with James A. Peters regarding the idea of giving
people a tailor-made contact page to report such incidents or observations
which they may have identified; and to thereby relate that information to
an UFO investigator/researcher.

One reason to bring in an UFO/USO researcher is that it is easy to confuse
actual information with belief systems. Afterall, most submersible crafts
are somewhat unidentified when they are first detected in the water.
Therefore, identifying them is in great part a pragmatic and mundane task
requiring knowledge of equipment and practical skills.

Identifying belief systems is a bit more abstract and goes back to cultural
expectations, religious instruction, incorporation of myth, determination
of preference and fundamental idealism. While there are many who will wish
to embrace the later, it is an appreciable function that observing and
identifying distant moving objects is a sufficiently difficult task, best
conducted without bias or pre-conceived expectations. That is not to lessen
the "lessons" of another process in learning about our oceans and our
diverse relationship with both our heritage, and our future role on the
planet. One standard services an ideology whereas another serves a
practical function. These ideas are necessarily kept separate and apart
from the nuts and bolts compilation of information necessary to create a
data base.

For instance, on Yom Kippur, I reflected on the Story of Jonah and the
Whale. I thoroughly enjoyed the many analagous references to our modern
problems with human arrogance and today's threatened oceans. However, all
of that would be quite different from the observation-level data gathering
function which Jim Peters will be conducting here. I have tried to compile
such interesting references and am currently in the process of placing them
together on one web page. Please be patient while that work develops.
Several speculations about ancient cities, theories about Atlantis and even
fantasy, speculation and lore will appear there. However, the intent and
function of this "WURSCLCH" page will remain a manageable one dedicated to
a compilation of information which is verifiable.

FUTURE LINK TO NEW PAGE NOW UNDER CONSTRUCTION

James A. Peters is the Assistant Director of Colorado MUFON with six years
investigative work in researching identifying the unknown. His expertise
includes work he has done with Jose Escamilla, developing methods by which
to conduct RODS investigations research. (A topic which has brought him to
speak on several national broadcasts in the past and an anticipated tour to
England this November.) He has a background in environmental sciences,
knows his way around an Environmental Impact Statement is familiar with
typical military procedures for dealing with environmental issues. Jim is
familiar with the topic of LFA Sonar its proposed deployment by the US
Navy.

Persons wishing to report an observation or a sighting pertaining to LFA
Sonar will need to leave a message and ask to speak with James A. Peters by
NAME.

Jim wrote this reply to someone who was asking for some explanation about
the Navy's choice in using LFAS. The writer went on to say, .. "I heard
from an ex naval officer that the LFAS was probably designed for use as a
powerful ray gun." Jim's reply was as follows: All I can offer you is the
result of speculation regarding the Navy's strong intention to deploy LFAS.
Their motivation seems rather out of place for this post cold war era. They
say that LFAS is necessary because more countries have submarines now than
ever before. Okay, I'll give them that. But are there more new submarines?
Or are the existing submarines being sold and shuffled around? Besides,
submarines are expensive, complex vehicles that take a long time to build,
test and deploy. How could there be a sudden proliferation of a submarine
threat that didn't exist before? So, for me anyway, the Navy's stated need
for LFAS seems weak when compared to their strong determination to deploy
it and to put a tremendous marine 

[CTRL] Plane Crashes

1999-11-23 Thread earthman

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ec
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

In a message dated 11/22/1999 7:46:21 PM Central Standard Time, Rubie2zDay
writes:


 Hi Dee!

 Finally got these couple of pages finished!

 What I was trying to do, was collect all kinds of pertinent bomb, missile,
plane etc links, cockpit transcripts, articles, etc. and compile them on one
page for easier reference. Most of the links are so scattered around! I got
some of the links from your site (put a link to your site on second page)
and
I had some of them in my own bookmarks. I figured most people aren't even
aware of some of these incidents or had forgotten about them. There seems to
be a real pattern and I thought it was important for people to be able to
see
it, since so many just follow along no matter what the media and/or govt
tell
us!  Putting them all in one place helps the 'lazys' not have to work too
hard!  ;)

  A HREF="http://members.aol.com/reach4drms/mystery.html"Flight 990, TWA
800, SwissAir, Silk Air,.../A
 http://members.aol.com/reach4drms/mystery.html
  A HREF="http://members.aol.com/reach4drms/transcripts.html"'Smoke Gets
In
Your Eyes'/A
 http://members.aol.com/reach4drms/transcripts.html
 ---
 Anyway, since I put that up, today, I found this interesting article
regarding a book...for those who think the govt would never do anything
wrong
or hide things from us!
 I put it here:
  A HREF="http://members.aol.com/rubie2zday/index.html"Index/A
 http://members.aol.com/rubie2zday/index.html

 with the brief 'blurb', below.

 "...the American people have become so apathetic, so dumbed-down and so "I,
me, my" that they no longer care who this government kills as long as it
doesn't disturb their self-induced coma that protects their comfort zone."

A Shifrin, Executive Director E. Shifrin,
Secretary

 ANALYSIS OF THE TOP SECRET CODE WORDED CIA REPORT on the subject of the
mysterious disappearance  of the South Korean Boeing 747 (Flight 007),  its
crew and passengers after its 1983 shooting down near the shores of Island
Sakhalin

 I. A BRIEF HISTORY

 Since 1989, our Research Center for Soviet prisons and concentration camps
has been conducting an independent investigation concerning the fate of the
crew and passengers of the ill fated flight KAL 007 which disappeared after
September 1, 1983. In 1990, we established, through our underground channels
in the USSR, that Korean Boeing 747 (Flight KAL 007) did not crash into the
sea after it had been hit by two Soviet rockets, but rather had water landed
safely in the shallow waters in the vicinity of Island Moneron, not far from
Sakhalin. At the same time, we received information that the passengers
(United States Congressman Lawrence P. McDonald among them) as well as the
crew were removed from on
 board the plane by Soviet coastal guard and transferred to the
mainland"

 Full article is here:
 A HREF="http://www.devvy.com/kal007_19991120.html"Incident At Sakhalin -
The True Mission of KAL 007/A

 Elaine


We are about to go on a Journey. All Aboard
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Re: [CTRL] more Royal Goss

1999-11-23 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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well .

The Dark Reptile formerly known as [prince] philip has long been known by
the suffering uk public to be an alien from the planet xool.

The only person I know who can go to china and complain about the number of
'slitty eyed' people - his most recent gaff being at a factory in
livingston scotland where he remarked of a broken fusebox that it had been
'put in by an indian' -
and when people retaliated that he was an indolent greek - he replied
'greek enough to marry the queen' a sly referennce to his Trojan descent
bloodline.
My mate dave says that he is actually an alien gangster from the planet marcab
and points out in a recent painting that the duke had been painted with
claw like fingers !!!
The queen mother is also known to have had various 'peculiar liasons' in a
small scottish castle near balmoral, castle may,
mind you, our friend mr ike claims that the queen mum turns into a big dark
lizard and interferes with choir boys in a painful manner with a knife !!!
Someone in Gordonstoun in the princes year was recently found hanged in the
dormitory - perhaps a bit of traditional hanging childsplay for the upper
classes gone wrong.
there are 2 bloodline claims to the uk - the least viable windsor trojan
descent of judah, and the scottish dalriadan descent [got there first but
don't tell anyone !!! ] which has included princess diana by way of mary
queen of scots so I'm told.
A little known fact that MI5 sworn to protect the head of state and
democracy are also backing a stuart pretender to the scottish throne, and
just to be on the safe side, a dark defence intelligence group has created
another pretender to the scottish throne via the dalriadan line.
The best royal ever, princess anne, is set to take up residence in holyrood
palace near the scottish parliament in edinburgh, presumably in an attempt
to stave off pangs of scottish independence and nationalism.
Anne, a long term favourite [with myself] and others - may have her work
cut out for her now.
Prince Edwards visit to holywood USA and his film deals re the queen mum
have gone directly against his declared policy not to capitalise on his
title say the press in the uk - who are also embittered by his attitudes
towards the british arts industry.
Brave princess sophie - daughter of andrew and sarah of york collapsed at a
senataph commemoration ceremony - looking a lot like her mum - and a bit
flushed - she got to her feet and stayed for the ceremony.
Al Fayad claims in Court and in the newspapers today that prince Philip and
MI5/6 were responsible for Dianas and Dodis death - daring prince philip to
sue him.

Andrew Hennessey

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Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Are Copiers used to Track us?]

1999-11-23 Thread Scott Brown

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Robert Tatman scrawled the following:
 This is why the new $100 and $20 bills with their "counterfeit-proof"
features were introduced; the $5 and $10 denominations are in the works.
..
Sure, that is what the "features" are allegedly for. That is just a publicly
acceptable explanation. In fact, the main purpose of the new currency is to
facilitate better tracking of the sheep. How many credit cards, drivers
licences, or other forms of id/cards with magnetic strips do you regularly
carry that allow you to be tracked anywhere, anytime? But let's break it down
for those doubters out there. The trackers don't even need these
devices---everyone of us has in our brains a magnetic signature individual to
us that can be used with Magnetic resonance imaging equipment from either deep
space platforms or from other locations to track the populus. So, come on, we
are on this list, and if we believe the lies (counter counterfeiting, etc)
then what hope do the rest of the sheep have?


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Re: [CTRL] JFK ASSASSINATED 36 YEARS AGO TODAY! EO 11110

1999-11-23 Thread Linda Minor

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Do you know the full name of Pearson?  I assume this is an ancestor to
Viscount Cowdray, but which one?

Linda

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Subject: Re: [CTRL] JFK ASSASSINATED 36 YEARS AGO TODAY! EO 0


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From: Pep Stofen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 10:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
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Subject: TO TELL THE TRUTH


TO TELL THE TRUTH!

 It was the year of 1694, King William III,
granted to Mr. Pearson, permission to establish the
Bank of England.  With power to issue money against
the Credit of the English peopleThe bank then
loaned money to the British Crown at interest,
thus creating the debt to the bank.  It took less than
eighty years to force King George to tax the American
Colonies so as to pay the vast amount of interest to
the bank.
 Colonial Investigators, such as, Ben Franklin,
John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, etc.
became determined to free the American people from the
debt of King George III to the Bank of England.  With
great sacrifice (the Revolutionary War) they wrote the
Constitution of the United States of America...which
Provides Constitutional Power, to Congress, to issue
interest-free (debt-free) money so the people can
control the economy with an elective Republic.
 The United States won the war against King
George III, nevertheless, the Bank of England
continued to bribe a few Americans to establish
central banks, such as, the first and second Bank of
the United States which Thomas Jefferson and Andrew
Jackson, respectively, denied renewal.
 In less than four score and seven years, Abraham
Lincoln had his Congress to issue to issue the United
States Note, free of interest so as to enable payment
of the actual cost of the Civil War...which was paid
in less than twenty years.
  In 1913, the U.S.A. politicians were conned into
passing the Federal Reserve Act. Which gave the
Federal Reserve Bankers the alleged power to issue
United States money against the Credit of the U.S.A.
taxpayer.
 The last year that the United States Note was
issued interest-free to the U.S.A. Government was
1963, when $4,292,892,825.00 was printed into
circulation.  It should be interesting that President
John F. Kennedy said (only ten days before his
assassination): - "the High Office of the President
has been used to foment a plot to destroy the American
Freedom, and before I leave Office, I must inform the
citizens of this plight."
 Since the J.F.K. Administration, very few
politicians or members of the media have mentioned
that the "UNITED STATES NOTE" issued (interest-free)
by the U.S.A. Congress, will solve the U.S.A. National
Debt which is caused by the interest-bearing issuance
of the Federal Reserve Note.
 In the year of 1998, the U.S.A. taxpayer will
pay to the Federal Reserve Bankers, over a million
dollars-a-day (and accelerating) in interest against
the fraudulent National Debt, THAT'S THE TRUTH!

Pep

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[CTRL] Fwd: [spynews] Re: Soros: It Isn't Enough to Shed Communism

1999-11-23 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara

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 It Isn't Enough to Shed Communism
 By George Soros
 Tuesday, November 23, 1999;
 The Washington Post
 Page A27

 The writer is an international financier
 and philanthropist.



Beware of billionaires bearing gifts
--
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/97/0407/5907082a.htm

A near decade after the collapse of the Soviet Union,
much of Central and Eastern Europe is still ruled by the
old gang. Guess who's helping keep them in power?

By Richard C. Morais
Forbes Magazine
April 7, 1997

  IF YOU'VE DIMLY wondered what is happening in
Albania, we can, in a brief sentence, explain:
George Soros' friends are coming out on top.

Late in February, armed gangs led by gangsters
and ex-Communists, many of them veterans of the
old secret police state, all but toppled an
elected liberal government, and forced the
president to appoint a neo-Communist as prime
minister. While this was happening, George Soros
sat in his London town house and calmly told
Forbes that his Albanian Foundation is "an
excellent group very much on top of the situation."

On top is right: Soros has kept afloat a newspaper,
Koha Jone, that egged on the coupists with
inflammatory antigovernment propaganda. A pyramid
scheme had collapsed, costing many people their
savings, and the Soros-supported paper effectively
made a call to arms. A top official of the Soros
foundation in Tirana boasted to stunned observers:
"[President] Berisha's going. We got him."

In an age-old tradition of European political
patronage, this multibillionaire speculator routinely
taps his billions to fund journals, politicians and
educators in Europe and elsewhere. More often than
not, these  have an exclusively left-wing bias.


  Soros, 67, is Hungarian-born but a U.S. citizen.
He recently caused a flutter in the February issue of
the Atlantic Monthly by penning a windy attack on free
market capitalism.

  Why is George Soros so cozy with people and causes
that might be expected to view his kind as parasites?

  To understand his charitable works Forbes visited the
Soros Foundation- Hungary's cream-colored villa in the
hills of Budapest. Hungary is not only Soros' native
land but where his charities have the longest history.
There we met Miklos Vasarhelyi, the 80-year-old president
of the Soros-funded foundation. This man, who dispenses
millions of dollars a year in a rather poor country,
has an interesting past. Vasarhelyi was press officer to
Imre Nagy, the Communist Prime Minister executed in 1958
for being too independent. Vasarhelyi stood trial along
with Nagy after Soviet tanks crushed the 1956 Hungarian
uprising. Nagy and most others were hanged or sentenced
to life. Vasarhelyi got just five years, the lightest
punishment of the pack.

  Thanks to George Soros, this former Communist has risen
again. A political party he helped found is a partner in
the present government. That government is a coalition of
ex-Communists (now the Hungarian Socialist Party) and a
left-liberal group, the Alliance of Free Democrats, a
coalition that came to power in 1994 after defeating
a rather ineffectual moderate government. Soros blessed
the election results.

  "These are strong, serious-minded people," he publicly
said of the victorious ex-Communists. "I have great
expectations in general." Not everyone agreed. One
prominent foreign businessman who first considered, then
rejected, doing business in Hungary, described the current
government as a "bunch of clowns who haven't a clue as to
how to run an economy."

  Soros has since banged heads with Socialist Prime
Minister Gyula Horn, but remains close to his coalition
partner, the Alliance of Free Democrats. He provides many
AFD leaders with income. Besides Vasarhelyi, for example,
Soros' Hungarian lawyer, Alajos Dornbach, is a top-ranked
AFD official and a legal adviser to the foundation.

  Soros is the great philanthropist of our age or so his
press constantly remind us. Every year, according to his
flacks, he gives away more than $300 million through a
network of 1,000 employees in 30 countries. When Russian
scientists were starving he gave each a year's salary; he
brought fresh water to besieged Bosnians; he's providing
kindergartens for Gypsies. Good deeds, all.

  But there is another side to the giving, a rather 

[CTRL] The City

1999-11-23 Thread lloyd

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..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: The "City"
Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 8:58 PM

Dear Mr Miller,

I came across your website after reading your old circa 1985 Project on the 
BibleBelievers in Australia website.  So I've subscribed.  I've read your bi-polar 
view, which in my opinion is the most reasonable I've seen.

I wasn't prepared to find such instant confirmation on the internet itself.

I've since looked up The City's  (City of London, a/k/a London Corporation) 
website.   Not only does the "Queen" defer to the "Lord Mayor" there but I also 
learned that:

1.  The City's police force is separate from Metropolitan London's and always has 
been.

2.  Local politics in The City are conducted on a non-partisan basis.  Neither 
Labor or Conservative parties are active there.  That makes complete sense. No one 
allows their servants to rule them.

3.  The City has its own criminal court.

4. The City has posted pictures on its internet site of eco-rioters its police are 
hunting from a demonstration last June 18.  There's dozens of them.

5.  The City (Corporation of London) has purchased and conserved, outside of its 
own boundaries, the hunting lodge of Elizabeth I.
Somewhat out of the normal behavior for something that is nominally only a local 
govenment.  Why shouldn't the national government
conserve a monarch's hunting lodge?

6.  The City's own statistics show that it far exceeds New York in every financial 
category except stock market capitalization.

So The City has its own geographic sovereignty that is only a bit less veiled than 
The Vatican's.  Veiled enough to fool the sheeple.  But for the "Kings" of the earth, 
who all traffic in their own political symbolism, the symbolism  and the underlying 
reality of power is clear.  Especially when they come (are summoned) to visit.

The City even has its own extraterritorial citizenship in the form of "The Freedom 
of the City".

   And, lest anyone forget, The City was the target of 80% of the Luftwaffe's Blitz 
attacks and also the aiming point of the V1-V2 campaign in 1944.


Yours Truly,

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[CTRL] FW: WASHINGTON POST DOES WHITE HOUSE DIRTY DEEDS IN SMEARING NEW INDEPENDENT COUNSEL?

1999-11-23 Thread Dave

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Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com/dave


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Subject: WASHINGTON POST DOES WHITE HOUSE DIRTY DEEDS IN SMEARING NEW
INDEPENDENT COUNSEL?


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
November 22, 1999
Contact: Joe Giganti
(202)646-5172

WASHINGTON POST DOES WHITE HOUSE DIRTY DEEDS IN
SMEARING NEW INDEPENDENT COUNSEL?

 Attack on Starr Replacement Robert W. Ray
Likely Generated By White House and Private
Investigators

Clintons' Secret Police At It Again?

(Washington, D.C.) Judicial Watch, the non-partisan public
interest law firm that prosecutes government corruption, asked if
the White House or its agents were involved in today's
Washington Post hit piece against new independent
counsel and Starr
replacement Robert W. Ray.

Judicial Watch has previously uncovered evidence that the
Clinton White House had kept files on Ken Starr and others it
considered to be threats. Maintenance or use of such files on
individuals is a violation of, among other federal laws, the Privacy
Act. Bill and Hillary Clinton also employ private investigators,
who include former FBI officials and agents.

"It is evident from the Post piece that someone was digging into
the background of Independent Counsel Ray. The
Washington Post article has the fingerprints of The White
House and the Clintons' private investigators all over it," stated
Judicial Watch Chairman Larry Klayman.

Judicial Watch notes that it would be a crime for any individual
to intimidate Mr. Ray, a federal law enforcement official, in the
performance of his official duties.

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[CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Ranier E. Gut, Chairman, Credit-Suisse

1999-11-23 Thread Kris Millegan





From: "Linda Minor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

As you may know, LaRouche's group, EIR, attempted to trace modern financial
institutions as far back as possible.  They concluded that they originated
with the Venetian banking system, which was controlled by the fondi (in
italics--the plural of fondo), which translated loosely I think means
"fund".  Quoting now, from pp. 96-100:

[I]nvestment banking in the U.S. is now almost wholly controlled by the
ancient European fondi, that is, family trust funds whose pedigree goes back
to the financing of the Crusades by Genoa and Venice.

From 1971 to 1981, in the decade after then-Treasury Under-secretary Paul
Volcker removed its gold backing, the U.S. dollar fell to a mere 60% of its
pre-devaluation level, while the combined effects of inflation and lower
stock prices devalued American equity to about 30% of its 1971 level in
terms of gold.  From the standpoint of the old oligarchical fondi, secured
through gold, American equity could be had for a fifth of its pre-1971 price
during the late 1970s.  This is the period of the grand reflow of capital to
the U.S., measured by the International Monetary Fund as the "statistical
discrepancy in the world current account balance."
...
Among modern financial institutions, the Assicurazioni Generali of Venice,
the heir to the old Venetian fortunes, provides the most clues to the
operations of the fondi.  The "Generali," as an insurance organization, is a
clearing house for the operations of numerous fondi, each one represented by
its frontman, one of the principal European investment banks.  Its board of
directors consists of the principal banking fortunes of Western Europe, each
of whom is to be found in the succeeding chapters drawn from the 1978
edition of Dope, Inc.  These directors included:

*Baron August Von Finck, reputedly the richest man in Germany until his
recent death (with the possible exception of Johannes von Thurn und Taxis),
owner of the Merck und Finck investment bank.  ...The bank's importance is a
function of the fondo of the old Bavarian royal family of Wittelsbach.
*Elie de Rothschild, of the French Rothschild family;
*Baron Pierre Lambert, the Belgian cousin of the Rothschild family and
proprietor of the Banque Bruxelles-Lambert (and a force on Wall Street
through Drexel Burnham Lambert);
*Jocelyn Hambro of Hambro's Bank, which owned a quarter of Michele Sindona's
Banca Privata when it went under in 1974;
*Pierpaolo Luzzatto Fequiz, of the ancient Venetian Luzzatto family, whom we
shall encounter later in this chapter in the company of the notorious Banco
Ambrosiano;
*Franco Orsini Bonacossi of the ancient Orsini family, whose origin includes
members of the ancient Roman senate.

Europe's two most powerful investment banks, Lazard Freres (of the
thousand-year-old David-Weill family) and the Banque Paribas (founded by
Venetian Jews based in the Ottoman Empire trade) are the largest
stockholders in the Assicurazioni through a variety of shells.  The sister
Venetian insurance company of the "Generali," the Riunione Adriatica di
Sicurta, includes among its directors members of the Giustiniani family of
Genoa and Venice, descendants of the vile Roman Emperor Justinian; the Doria
family, the chief Genoese financiers of the Spanish Hapsburgs; as well as
the current Duke of Alba, descendant of the brutal Spanish marcher-lord whom
the Genoese bankers sent to the Netherlands four centuries ago to crush
their independence.

Assicurazioni Generali and the Bank for International Settlements of Basel
(the "central bank for central banks"), are the world's only financial
institutions to keep their books in the old pre-war Swiss gold franc, the
"hard currency" which the fondi employed to buy American equities at a dime
on the dollar during the first fumbling years of the Roosevelt
administration.

They waited long to avenge themselves against the upstart United States.
Their chance came with the break of the dollar from its gold backing in
1971.

Given the collapse of Wall Street stock prices during the long agony of the
dollar between the 1967 collapse of the pound sterling and the aftermath of
the 1971 debacle, it is not surprising that every major brokerage firm ran
into trouble no later than the mid-1970s.  Lehman Brothers, once the most
powerful firm on the Street, was the first to raise the white flag.  It
secured, through offices of George Ball, a 7% investment from Banca de la
Svizzera Italiana, a Swiss bank which functioned as a virtual Swiss
subsidiary of the Banca Commerciale d'Italia--the bank at whose headquarters
the infamous Propaganda-2 lodge of Italian freemasonry had been founded
years earlier.

The Banca de la Svizzera Italiana (BSI), based in Lugano, Switz.,
specialized in covert movement of Italian flight capital into the U.S.

One by one the other major Wall Street houses fell under the control of the
old European fondi.  The dominant mergers and acquisitions operation on Wall
Street, Lazard 

Re: [CTRL] [Re: [CTRL] Are Copiers used to Track us?]

1999-11-23 Thread Kris Millegan

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Do you have hard facts on any this technology and its use? Are the scenarios
of mars colonies and what not true? Is it  cover  or  cover-up? Now i do
believe that there is technology in the hands of the "powers-that-be", but
also suspect that there is much "gloss" and "diffusement, also.

Om
k

In a message dated 11/23/99 5:49:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Robert Tatman scrawled the following:
 This is why the new $100 and $20 bills with their "counterfeit-proof"
features were introduced; the $5 and $10 denominations are in the works.
..
Sure, that is what the "features" are allegedly for. That is just a publicly
acceptable explanation. In fact, the main purpose of the new currency is to
facilitate better tracking of the sheep. How many credit cards, drivers
licences, or other forms of id/cards with magnetic strips do you regularly
carry that allow you to be tracked anywhere, anytime? But let's break it down
for those doubters out there. The trackers don't even need these
devices---everyone of us has in our brains a magnetic signature individual to
us that can be used with Magnetic resonance imaging equipment from either deep
space platforms or from other locations to track the populus. So, come on, we
are on this list, and if we believe the lies (counter counterfeiting, etc)
then what hope do the rest of the sheep have? 

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[CTRL] Fwd: Plan: Massive Y2K riot In Times Sq.--Necessitating Military Intervention//ALSO:Gun Confiscation In Dec?

1999-11-23 Thread Kris Millegan





11.23.99
Plan: Massive Y2K Riot In Times Sq.--
Necessitating Military Intervention

ALSO:
Gun Confiscation Next Month?


Ru says they have received a video which was made on the sly by a
military commander in charge of a contingent of agents provocateur;
whose job will be to initiate a massive, racially tinged riot in New York
City's Times Square this coming millennial New Year's Eve. The unrest is
going to be instigated and manipulated to such a severe extent that the
use of military contingents are going to be "required" in order to
"restore" "order."

Real stuff, or not? If "real", the people involved in making this video
may "believe" it to be something real, but they themselves may actually be
getting manipulated unwittingly into being disinformation outlets
without knowing it. Or, they MAY know they are putting out disinformation.

And what about RuMills being manipulated and used without being aware of
it, to publicize this material as being true and genuine when it in fact isn't?

In fact, the video may be "true" but not "genuine", or it may be
"genuine" but not "true". It may be partly true, but not genuine at all.
Or vice versa. And so on.

The combinations are numerous.

Unfortunately, things are seldom as they seem and almost NEVER what the
government SAYS they are, now more than ever before.

NewsHawk is NOT saying WE believe this to be "real" in any way. We
are NOT endorsing this material nor indicating any belief that
it is in any way shape or form "REAL", and genuine in every sense of the word.

However, it seems prudent to make as many people aware of this material
as we can, just in case it IS the real deal.

We are sending this transcript of the voice on this supposed training
video, so that YOU can make up your own mind about the authenticity
of the information based upon whatever criteria you choose.

If we find out anything which relates to such authenticity in any way we
will report it.

-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  
990--BIG-time Diversion?//
Executive Order 13142--Gun Confiscation Next Month?

The "mystery" of what caused the crash of EgyptAir Flight 990 and what
ever happened to the 217 occupants seems so outlandish that the thought
has crossed our minds that at least one additional possible motive for
covert government factions to bring down the jet--by whatever means, is
precisely to create a just such an extensive, ongoing 
"mystery" with MANY inexplicable aspects and attendant international
uproar... as a DISTRACTION from something ELSE going on that "they"
REALLY don't want us to notice!

For example, we've received word that just before embarking on his
extended overseas jaunt, President Clinton signed another executive
order, No. 13142. The upshot of this executive order is reportedly that
in early December, sheriffs' departments (and police departments)
nationwide are to become federally deputized, and initiate the
confiscation of private firearms in the territory of the United States
of America.

SO. How's that? 

NewsHawk welcomes any and all input of a non-screwball nature on this
incredibly urgent issue.


NewsHawk® Inc.

-- -- -- -- -- -- -- --

Transcript Of The "Assault On Times
Square" Video

From Rumor Mill News
www.rumormillnews.com

This video was possibly made as a training tool to show members of a
squad of soldiers exactly where they will need to be during they're
"mission" in Times Square 12/31/99. A video was made because showing up
in Times Square with bunch of soldiers would raise to many questions.

The video was then distributed, on base, to the men who are to
participate in the mission. It was consequently given to a cousin of one
of the soldiers, who then made a webpage [www.crowdedtheater.com] and
released the video on the internet.

The webpage was found, presumably, by this person's cousin or his
superiors and taken down immediately - but not before I was able to
download the video and put it back on the net for everyone to see and hear.

I have since been informed the site was taken down by the Department Of
Justice (DOJ).

Here is the video transcribed word for word.

{in Times Square]

Leader:

"OK, now you boys know that I'll personally land in a world of shit if
anybody finds out I made this tape. But I just figured that since they
decided we're not gonna do any on site manuvers, you guys could use a
better look at where the deal's gonna go down.

Except for "Raven" none of you men are cozy with the area of operation.
So I went ahead and I bought this camera. I'm thinking I'll give you an
unauthorized "sit-rep" here. You could take it in the spirit that it's
done - keep it eyes only and off the screen. This tape does not exsist.

[change of location]

This is where it all goes down. I'm gonna walk you throught it - take a
look at the AO and give you a quick run down on the mission. OK? Let's
look at it.

The containment pens and barricades run straight up and down from here,
four pens per block, all your civilians lock up inside of them.


[CTRL] Fwd: Billboard Company Refuses RNC Sign Near Gore HQ

1999-11-23 Thread A.C. Szul Jr.

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FYI.  Today's NYTimes ran the photo mock-up of Gore hugging Clinton,
after proclaiming that BC was the greatest president. See URL below.
-A

 (CNSNews.com) - A Nashville billboard company is refusing to
 honor a contract with the Republican National Committee to let
 the GOP advertise a few hundred yards from Vice President Al
 Gore's campaign headquarters. . .snip

See http://www.CNSNews.com/

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[CTRL] Far East advertising

1999-11-23 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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Taiwan Company Uses Cartoon Hitler
By William Foreman
Associated Press Writer
Monday, Nov. 22, 1999; 2:36 a.m. EST

TAIPEI, Taiwan -- A Taiwanese company is using large subway advertisements
that feature a cartoon of a smiling Adolf Hitler to sell German-made
electric space heaters.

German culture and trade officials in Taipei said today they were appalled
by the ad, which shows Hitler in a khaki uniform and black jackboots, his
right arm raised high in a Nazi salute. Above him is a slogan that says
"Declare war on the cold front!"

There are no swastikas in the ad, but the Hitler figure wears a red band
around his left arm with a white circle bearing the German manufacturer's
name, DBK.

Yu-shan Shen of the K.E. and Kingstone trading company said her firm sells
the German heaters in Taiwan and designed the ad campaign, which began this
month.

"We decided to use Hitler because as soon as you see him, you think of
Germany. It leaves a deep impression," said Shen, who works in the company's
planning and design department.

Shen said the company was not worried that the public would have a negative
reaction to the ad that features a man who oversaw the killing of millions
of Jews during World War II.

"Most people in Taiwan are not that sensitive about Hitler," she said.

Shen could not say whether the German firm had been informed about the ad.

"As always, we do our promotion planning independently, and we report what
we have done to DBK afterward," she said in a statement faxed to The
Associated Press.

DBK, based in the southwest German city of Kandel, could not immediately be
reached for comment early today.

Patricia Kortmann of the German Cultural Center in Taipei was dismayed by
the ad and doubted a German firm would approve it.

"It sounds too absurd to me that a German company would agree to such an
advertising strategy," Kortmann said.

Johannes Goeth of the German Trade Office in Taipei also doubted that the
manufacturer knew about the ad beforehand. He said the trade office faxed
DBK a letter two weeks ago telling it about the ad and has yet to receive a
reply.

Both Kortmann and Goeth said the advertisement didn't surprise them because
they often encounter Taiwanese who admire Hitler and lack a deep
understanding of European history.

"Taxi drivers will often tell me Hitler was a great man, very strong," Goeth
said.

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[CTRL] Making Kosovo Safe for Gangsters

1999-11-23 Thread Richard Sampson

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http://nypress.com/frame.cfm?content_id=705now=11/23/1999content_section=1

Loyal
Opposition
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 Corn


  Making Kosovo Safe for Gangsters

  As President Clinton was preparing for his trip to Kosovo last week, I
  came across an e-mail from an acquaintance who works in the
  Pentagon and who was recently in Kosovo. His note was a scathing
  counter to the official happy-talk appraisals of life in Kosovo. For
  example, when Gen. Michael Jackson, NATO’s top commander in
  Kosovo, recently vacated that post, he declared, "We have seen a
  return to normality" in Kosovo. He also hailed the "successful
  demilitarization" of the Kosovo Liberation Army and "the establishment
  of law and order." My Pentagon pal’s dispatch neatly sums up the
  troubles there–and illustrates the hollowness of the Clinton promises
  that accompanied the bombing of that province. With his
  permission–and in accordance with his wish to remain unidentified
  and employed–here are his observations:

  "Things seem much gloomier today than when I was there in the
  summer. I can only speak for myself (and the dozens or so various
  people who told me similar things), rather than on behalf of the U.S.
  government, but it is clear the UCK (KLA to non-Albanophones) is
  totally out of control, and unlikely to live up to its commitments on
  demilitarization. Ethnic Serbs and Roma continue to be attacked and
  leave the province. Right after I left the city of Pec (Peja in Albanian)
  in the western part of Kosovo, where violence was at its heaviest in
  the spring, a group of Serbs leaving the province, only ten miles from
  crossing into Montenegro, was attacked by a mob and barely got out
  alive (though their cars were all burned). Some of our (US) guys told
  me that in several villages where the ethnic Albanian citizens had
  elected their own mayors and councils, the UCK came in and told
  them who their new mayors would be. It’s clear that disenchantment
  with the UCK is not limited to Serbs. It also appears that the judicial
  system is a sham, since all judges not associated with the UCK have
  been shot at or have quit their jobs or have been intimidated into
  releasing suspects. It’s possible the UN Mission will turn that around,
  but I’m not optimistic. In essence, the international community went
  into Los Angeles, drove out a corrupt and brutal LAPD, and left the
  Bloods and Crips as the de facto government. This is hardly an
  original revelation on my part, but the vision of a multi-ethnic Kosovo
  is giving way to reverse ethnic cleansing. I agree that we needed to
  dp something about the mayhem which Milosevic and Company
  authored. Unfortunately, it seems that we drove the Yugoslav military
  and police out with the promise that we (the entire international
  community) could provide a safe and stable environment for all
  Kosovo’s citizens. And we just could not deliver."

  So much for the authenticity of that Clinton endeavor.

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[CTRL] A New Americanism-Patrick J. Buchanan

1999-11-23 Thread Taylor, John (JH)

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 Buchanan speech at CATO Institute



 A New Americanism
Patrick J. Buchanan

Last month, the Senate rejected the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. The U.S.
nuclear arsenal that had deterred Stalin's empire, the Senate said, must be
regularly tested for reliability and to reduce the destructive power of
these awesome and awful weapons.

The Senate was right. But to an enraged President, this was a vindictive
vote to rob him of a legacy. He lashed out. The Senate, Mr. Clinton said,
has embraced a "new isolationism" that seeks to "bury our heads in the sand
behind a wall." A 4000-word tirade against the "New Isolationism" by Samuel
Berger quickly followed.

As I have been called, among other names, America's leading isolationist, my
first thought was that he was giving me credit for his defeat. But what we
are witnessing here is something more sinister, a resort by Mr. Clinton to a
malicious libel to intimidate and silence any who would interfere with his
globalist agenda.

And as one who supported every great foreign policy initiative from Kennedy
to Reagan, I reject the isolationist label, especially when made by those
whose spent their youthful careers marching against the Cold War policies
that brought us victory.

America has never been an isolationist nation. "No president or national
party in the entire history of the United States...ever advocated isolating
the United States from the rest of the world," writes historian Wayne Cole.
Historian Walter McDougall calls the term isolationist "but a dirty word
that interventionists, especially since Pearl Harbor, hurl at anyone who
questions their policies."

Why did Mr. Clinton revert to it? To divert attention from his lost
opportunity to shape a foreign policy that might endure in our post-Cold War
world. Where Truman and Acheson succeeded, Clinton, like Wilson, has failed.

His first attempt at interventionism and nation-building was the bloody
debacle in Somalia. His embargo of Haiti and invasion proved ruinous to the
people of that impoverished island, with no appreciable benefit to our
Haitian neighbors or their quality of life. To divert attention from a
personal scandal, the President fired missiles at a poison gas factory in
Sudan. It now appears to have been an innocent pharmaceutical plant. Perhaps
Mr. Clinton, who was apologizing for yet another of his predecessors'
foreign policy sins, might wish to apologize for one of his own.

Consider our relationship with Russia. Ten years ago, Ronald Reagan was
being toasted in Moscow. Today, the prevailing wind is anti-Americanism. Not
our fault, the Clintonites say. But who broke America's word to the Russians
that if they withdrew the Red Army from Eastern Europe, we would not move
NATO an inch closer to their frontiers?

And what reaction do we expect when we collude with two former Soviet
republics, Georgia and Azerbaijan, to build a pipeline to cut Russia out of
the oil of the Caspian and ship it to her ancient enemy, Turkey? When
enraged Russian generals charge us with meddling in the Caucasus, do they
not have a point?

That photo of the President in Istanbul, smiling broadly as the oil treaty
was toasted, while his Energy Secretary crowed about our "victory," was a
provocation. Be assured: Russian nationalists are surely even now plotting
to overturn Mr. Clinton's "victory." Mr. Clinton's successes have been in
Northern Ireland and the Middle East, where America assumed the role of
peacemaker, rather than military interventionist. That is the role the
greatest nation on earth should play, one ordained in the Sermon on the
Mount.

But our Republican elites are even more bellicose. It was his own
Republicans who berated President Bush for not marching on Baghdad and
establishing a "MacArthur Regency," Republicans who urged air strikes on the
North Korean nuclear facilities, thus risking a second Korean War. It was
Republicans who denounced Clinton for not sending 200,000 U.S. troops into
Belgrade. And it was a Republican Governor of Texas who complained that our
war on Serbia was not being prosecuted "ferociously" enough. And it is
Republicans who seem to lust most ardently for a new Cold War. In President
Bush's final year in office, a startling document surfaced in the Pentagon,
detailing a plan to send 6 carrier battle groups and 24 NATO divisions to
rescue Lithuania, should Moscow recolonize the republic. This prescription
for war with Russia was crafted in the shop of one Paul Wolfowitz. It is not
reassuring to see the selfsame Mr. Wolfowitz, one of Governor Bush's
"Vulcans," emerging as an early favorite to be Secretary of State.

Perhaps the defining foreign policy moment of the Clinton presidency was his
unconstitutional war on Serbia. The cause of that war was Madeline Albright'
s rage that Serbia would not sign a Rambouillet accord that called for the
removal of all its troops from Kosovo, and permission for NATO troops to
tramp through their country. No American 

[CTRL] Serbs murdered by the hundred since 'liberation'

1999-11-23 Thread Richard Sampson

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Europe/serbs241199.shtml


Armed Albanians take revenge with campaign of murder, house-burning and
intimidation that has driven out thousands

Serbs murdered by the hundred since 'liberation'

By Robert Fisk in Pristina

24 November 1999

The postwar "ethnic cleansing" of Kosovo's Serbs appears to be nearing
completion as armed Albanians continue to murder and kidnap the tiny
minority of Serbs who remain in the province more than five months after
Nato troops arrived – in the words of their UN mandate – "to ensure public
safety and order".

Of Pristina's 40,000 Serb population, only 400 are left. Statistics from the
Serb church and a human rights group in Pristina suggest as many as 316
Serbs have been murdered and 455 more kidnapped, many of them killed, since
Nato's arrival.

If these figures bear any relation to reality – and most are accompanied by
names and dates – then the number of Serbs killed in the five months since
the war comes close to that of Albanians murdered by Serbs in the five
months before Nato began its bombardment in March. Most Serb victims died in
the first two months after Nato's entry, but house-burning and murder
continues.

One of the most recent deaths was that of a Serb restaurant worker employed
– by a supreme irony – at the Pristina office of the International War
Crimes Tribunal. The murder of Radovan Kukalj in his home town of Obilic on
29 October went almost unreported outside Kosovo.

Statistics compiled by the Nato-led K-For in Kosovo appear to be woefully
inaccurate. They give the number of Serbs murdered since mid-June as only
125, despite detailed lists from the Serb Orthodox Diocese of Raska and
Prizren that include at least 184 named Serbs as murder victims, and 104
more kidnapped between 13 June and 22 August alone.

Files at the Serbian-administered "Centre for Peace and Tolerance' in
Pristina – which includes Albanian victims in its statistics – say that at
least 48 Albanians as well as 455 Serbs have been kidnapped since mid-June.

But even if the true figure was closer to K-For's statistic, not one of the
brutal Serb killings is being investigated by members of the International
War Crimes Tribunal working in Kosovo, not even the death of their own
worker, Mr Kukalj.

For while tribunal investigators still hope to bring charges against the
murderers of Albanians killed before the war, they are prevented by the
tribunal's mandate from any detective work on the postwar murder of Serbs.
The mandate states that it can investigate crimes committed "during the
armed conflict in Kosovo".

But since neither Nato nor K-For will admit that a conflict continues under
their control in Kosovo, albeit a largely one-sided one in which the Serbs
are the principal victims, war crimes tribunal officials cannot investigate
the killing of Serbs. This means their murderers have only the largely
impotent UN police force to reckon with. No wonder, then, that minority
groups continue to flee Kosovo.

The 300-strong Croat community at Lecnice were preparing to celebrate their
700th anniversary in the province but left en masse last month for
Dubrovnik. And this week, the president of the tiny Jewish community in
Pristina, Cedra Prlincevic, left for Belgrade after denouncing "a pogrom
against the non-Albanian population". He had left Kosovo, he said, "with
only the Talmud".

Foreign aid workers in Kosovo insist K-For is now making a huge effort to
protect minorities after Nato General Sir Michael Jackson's defeatist
response to the killings – "we can only do so much," he said several times –
appeared to encourage the killers.

"There are large numbers of Royal Irish Rangers in the Gjilane and Stimle
areas trying to defend the small number of Serbs there," a European human
rights worker said. "Just east of Pec, Serbs are returning from Montenegro
at the rate of 40 a week and K-For is putting enormous resources in to
re-establish them."

Swedish troops have virtually surrounded the Serb monastery town of
Gracanica, even ordering Albanians to strip Kosovo independence posters from
their cars if they are driving in the Serb streets.

But the same aid official, who spends much of his time on emergency work in
Pristina, admitted: "Every single Serbian here has been intimidated –
verbally in the street, on the telephone, physically ..."

A few hours later, I was confronted by a 64-year old Serb woman, Milunka
Josic, who had just spent the night trying to keep Albanian youths from
breaking down her front door. Her right hand was covered in bruises. "I know
the young men who were shouting at me," she said. "They were beating on the
door and screaming, ' your mother' and, 'Go back to Serbia'."

In efforts to minimise the "ethnic cleansing" of the Serbs of Kosovo, K-For
has even produced graphs which compare the province favourably to cities
which include Pretoria and Moscow, a meaningless performance since these are
among the crime 

[CTRL] Retired Adm. Warns of China Attack

1999-11-23 Thread Richard Sampson

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http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpne0u.htm

Retired Adm. Warns of China Attack

  By GEORGE GEDDA Associated
  Press Writer

  WASHINGTON (AP) -- Retired
  Adm. Thomas Moorer, a former
  chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
  said Tuesday that China is
  preparing to take over the Panama
  Canal once the United States
  relinquishes control. He warned of
  possible Chinese use of the area to
  launch a nuclear attack on America.

  Moorer said China plans to seize
  control through a Hong Kong
  company, Hutchinson Whampoa,
  which has won the right to operate
  ports on both sides of the canal. He
  contended that the firm has close
  links to the Chinese military.

  Moorer commented at a news
  conference sponsored by the John
  Birch Society, a rightist group
  opposed to the treaties.

  The treaties require the United
  States to surrender control of the
  canal and to remove all U.S. troops
  by Dec. 31.

  Administration officials have
  previously dismissed allegations of
  an eventual Chinese takeover of the
  canal as baseless.

  Moorer spoke as U.S. and
  Panamanian officials met to discuss
  canal security and other issues once
  the transfer to Panamanian control
  takes place.

  Heading the Panamanian delegation
  was Foreign Minister Jose Miguel
  Aleman, who conferred with U.S.
  officials on a draft Panamanian plan
  to ensure security over the
  waterway in the face threats from
  ``terrorism, insurgency and
  organized crime.''

  A statement issued by the
  Panamanian Embassy said the draft
  plan also will be shared with eight
  other countries, including Taiwan.
  China was not among the eight.

  Moorer, who served as Joint Chiefs
  chairman during the Nixon
  administration, said China's missiles
  can carry ``a nuclear payload or an
  explosive payload, and they can
  also be mounted on a truck and
  moved around -- and, therefore,
  very difficult to keep track of.

  ``And consequently, we have a
  situation where the Chinese are in a
  position today to secret these kinds
  of missiles into Panama and use
  Panama as a launching point for
  missiles to attack the United States,''
  he said. ``And no one seems to get
  exercised over that and the media
  doesn't ever mention that.''

  He said the Chinese threat ``is more
  difficult to handle'' than the Cuban
  missile crisis was.

  Moorer also disputed the
  administration contention that the
  United States retains the right after
  surrendering the canal to use force
  to ensure free passage in the event
  of a takeover by hostile forces.

  He insisted that President Carter
  gave up that right in a secret
  agreement with Panama under
  which the United States would be
  allowed to use force only with
  Panamanian consent. A State
  Department official said he had not
  seen Moorer's comments and could
  not comment.

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[CTRL] Who Or What Killed The TRUTH?

1999-11-23 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara

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Interesting. My gift to you: John 8:44, Revelation 2:9  3:9  possibly others.

See too Galatians 4:16.

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:51:41 -0700, watcher wrote:

Scripture has much to say about the demise of the (tannin)  i.e.  Hebrew for 
dinosaur...

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[CTRL] The Real X-Files (TheSecret.txt)

1999-11-23 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara

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http://www.plim.org/nonlocal.htm

HAS SCIENCE FOUND GOD IN NON-LOCAL REALITY?

  Dr . Lee E. Warren, B.A., D.D.

 (c) September/October 1996 "PLIM REPORT"

  Feel free to copy and circulate this article for non-commerical purposes
  provided the Web site and author are mentioned.

See Related Articles: Science and Medicine


   Introduction

Some may argue that science has not proven the actual existence of God.
However, quantum mechanics (a discipline that explains the interaction of
the various forces and energies that exist in an atom) has discovered
another realm that is not physical or in the realm of space and time.
Quantum mechanics emerged about 1925 led by the research of Albert Einstein
(1879-1955) and Neil Bohr (1885-1962) who we will discuss later in this
paper.

Houston Smith in his book The WorldÆs Religions states that science has
been very doubtful of the unseen realm, ôbut with EddingtonÆs [Sir Arthur
Stanley Edding-ton was an English astrophysicist 1882-1944] observation
that the world is more like a mind than a machine, and astrophysicistsÆ
reports that 90 percent of the æmatterÆ in the universe is invisible in the
sense that it impacts none of their instruments, scientific skepticism has
begun to subside (p. 319).ö Modern science may have found God whether they
want to admit it or not.

Eastern mysticism does not divide spirit from matter as we do in the West.
Swami Brahmanda said: ôShow where matter ends and spirit begins. Only our
own private delusion creates separate habitations for God And man (Vedanta,
from the Introductory Chapter, ®1971 Harper  Row, Pub.)."

Quantum mechanics is the most precise area of science that man ever created
to describe physical phenomenon. Its disadvantage is that it only operates
for a large number of occurrences within subatomic particles; it cannot
predict a single occurrence of an individual particle. Quantum mechanics
provides an explanation for why the sun shines; why molecules bond
themselves together; why the three states of matterùgas, liquid,
solidùexist; why an iron bar magnetizes when it is placed near a magnet.

On the practical side, quantum mechanics is the particular area of science
that gives us our modern comforts, such as electricity, the compute chip,
microwaves, lasers, and television. Quantum mechanics also provides the
technology for our recent weapons of terror and destruction, such as the
A-bomb and the H-bomb. Keep in mind that the science of quantum mechanics
is the theory that explains the power inside atoms.

What is the intent of this article?

This article will compare the invisible, non-local order of our reality
identified by quantum mechanics (specifically proven by the Bell Theorem)
and Spirit that is invisible, omnipresent, and all in all. We are most
familiar with a reality consisting of local events within space and time
and one that exists and operates in a chronological framework. Quantum
mechanics proves that there is a non-local part of our existence just as
real as thoughts, feelings, and ideas that cannot be measured on an
instrument. The invisible DNA instructions that directs our cells prove the
unseen presence of the Creator in which we live, move, and have our being
(Acts 17:22-28).

What has science  done to religious views?

Theologians know that science has severely undermined the established
concept of God taught in churches for the last 1500 years. As science has
explained much natural phenomenon once thought divine, the image of God has
transformed.

Most people no longer think of God as an old man with white hair and a long
beard that jumps down from a cloud to answer prayers. This has no more
relevancy to us than our ancient ancestorsÆ views of the cosmos and the
world dominated by primitive magic, superstitions, and myths.

Most traditional religions emerged before the scientific era. (See the
article in this issue on the time world religions emerged on p. 9 of the
ôDid U Know ...?ö section) Even Israel was superstitious. When you study
their views on the Ark of the Covenant, for example, Israel thought power
was literally in that box (Acts 17:24).

Initially, science was a tool for manÆs quest to understand God. Science
was supposed to supply evidence of GodÆs existence that would eradicate
manÆs ignorance of his creator. Scientific knowledge in the late 19th and
20th century has radically altered manÆs views of the universe and his
place in it.

Did manÆs view of the world change?

As the birth of the Messiah changed time from B.C. to A.D., the advent of
quantum mechanics changed scienceÆs old, materialistic way of viewing the
world to a new, revolutionary perception (see illustration p. 16). During
the scientific revolution, the philosophy of materialism was the dominate
view. It is defined as follows: ôa) the